EVE General Discussion

Anecdotaly , almost every time i login to grab some free sp i end up running a locate for someone,
or i hear "he's out!" On comms And im immediatly scrolling through my ships looking for something fast,
Or just get slapped in the face with a fleet ad.

Point is i have logged in when i normally wouldnt have and got dragged into something (gennerally a violent something too) that i otherwise would have missed.

Well done oh hard core EVE player.
However the hard data from EVE Offline says that this trend is not the normal response to dailies, which as expected puts the laugh to CCP's idea that it would increase PCU, which was their marketed reason for why they introduced daily quests to EVE. Being the 1% (Which you already were the 1% that was heavily invested in EVE to begin with) does not make it a good idea, nor do all the people cheering it because 'I get free SP's'.
CCP also never claimed that the data directly supported 24H skill queues removal directly caused any PCU drop. They made some vague off the cuff references to it, while providing no direct quotes to that cause or any evidence. Meaning they probably don't have any data supporting that directly, and more likely the PCU drop is caused by their current direction of updates long term.

Literaly my first word was Anecdotally so clearly i was trying to dismiss the public data and the charts of the pcu,

Yep looke at me dance and twirle and cheer for all these free hours of training.

Cmon man.

If everyone had this attitude there would be nothing for you to shoot at.. what is it your main does ???

Its not compulsory in any way, its like saying I have to get skill injectors. There is competition, you welcome to race me to my mission and kill the npc before I get there, or just gank me on the undock.
Nothing is compulsory, you have a choice, I personally have only achieved the 10 k 3 times since it started, I chose not to, maybe I fall behind skill wise.. but it is my CHOICE. If CCP said you had to do it or your skill queue stops till yuo do, then thats a whole new discussion.

They've already done this before in Dust with 10 daily missions. Now I know it won't be implemented the same as there but before the dailies it took forever to level up but afterwards if you had good sp missions you could level up pretty fast. Now on that it was weapons, tanks, isk, sp, them dreaded boxes and boosters. It worked in the fact that many I knew jumped on to do the dailies and some of them could take many hours to complete. Not to sure if they went that route here what kind of other than isk and sp rewards there'd be but at least on Dust it worked to keep people on longer than normal if they landed one well worth going for. It also got people trying out different roles they wouldn't try otherwise. As a new guy I can tell you that there's no real rush to be on as skills will train regardless if you're on or not. Now I get we all have lives in the real world but I think it's better that the ones that do have time to play games and choose to play this one have a reward for playing the game. I'm good either way as I enjoy the game without insensitive to play, but I can see if someone is getting burnt out doing the same routine day after day that it can give someone a reason to go try something new. The key is to have variety in the missions. Not only in the required action but in the rewards.

It doesn't have any way of showing what you are concluding.

Well it's pretty apparent as to why we haven't seen an increase. I posted about it in the monster thread and will reiterate here. CCP is trying to dangle a cheap carrot in front of you but in actualality you're locked in chains and being poked in the back. These dailies are the cheapest and laziest thing they could do. In my 8 years of playing there hasn't been a real change in almost every form of PVE content (I'm not counting the minor UI changes or slight iterations like the hacking mini-game). After 8 years, the content is old and very stale. Running anoms in nullsec are still exactly the same as they were the first time I was in nullsec. What compels me to log in just to run the exact same thing I ran 6 years ago? Nothing because it's boring.

CCP's biggest mistake was not doing a massive overhaul on ratting, mining, industry, exploration, etc. first and then introducing dailies. When the players have PVE content that is fun (read challenging or constantly different like a random generator for missions), that gives players a real reason to log in. Once they have that reason, you'll see the player count start going back to the 50k levels of the past naturally. Once player levels has started to increase because the game is more fun to play on a daily basis, then you could introduce the dailies as a reward for being more active. Doing this would have meant the game is fun to play with players logging in on their own, and on top of that they receive a pretty substantial reward for logging in as well. That's a win-win for everyone.

They just should HTFU, say they made a huge mistake swallow the backslash and remove the near unlimited skill queue and stop leaving poop in the sandbox.

That will never happen but I can dream. Instead we'll get more, I'm sure as they experimented with this when Dust was still around:
http://imgur.com/lA0qf34

Brace yourself, it's going to get worse. Much, much worse.

No, the OP is right. YOU are the one putting Eve in a box, specifically a Skinner box.

Dailies are little more than 'push the button, get the reward' feature that themepark games, especially so-called F2P or those with a heavy emphasis on psychological addiction (like WoW) thrive on. We do NOT need that $*** in Eve.

While I don't think that all NPC content is bad, this specific implementation of it definitely it.