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It will take six months at least to measure the effects (perfect would be a year). Why keep bothering to developing feature when they don't know how will it effect the game.

Is it mandatory? In game when everything is min-maxed? First event showed that players value SP the most, SP boosters was bullseye. Who like to sit and watch skill is training to level V because it's a prequisite? Can anybody tell me what's the reason to have prequisites? Other that CCP making money on skills injectors while they would have 3 time more players (and more money) if all of them could fly all ships from day 1 only on different levels?

Aren't you the same guys who when some might complain that vets have a big advantage over newbros used to like to say how "anyone can become just as proficient as a vet in a short time if they focus their efforts. "

Apparently you guys didn't *really* believe that, if you're so concerned as a veteran player with needing to change your play-style to get a small daily SP reward.

I don't believe I have ever said such a thing.

SP as a commodity is relatively meaningless now given that ISK can be traded for SP and vice-versa. The issue is the wealth/power/progression whatever you want to call it awarded by this feature because that 10k SP are worth much more than almost any other activity per unit time making it mandatory for the min/maxer.

As a veteran with multiple accounts the SP bonus already benefits me much more than a new player. My only concern is that it is a crude tool that skews sandbox play by incentivizing ratting over everything else. I am just lending my voice (for whatever that is worth on these forums) to keep the pressure on CCP to follow through with their stated intention to broaden the number of activities rewarded. I shouldn't be forced by the current, and admitted by CCP lazy, implementation to rat to prove that I am 'active' in the game.

No. As I said I am a rational adult and chasing some number in a database isn't going to make me login when I wasn't planning on playing Eve, or stay logged in longer. You already only earn most rewards in this game if you log in, so adding some SP on top isn't going to change the 'play Eve/do something else' equation for me.

What it does do though is make me shoot rats for the first few minutes of play time instead for doing what I normally like to do to make an income because the reward is so much better than anything else. Logging in all my accounts and shooting rats pays me around 500M ISK/h (probably more now that I have optimized it and can run several accounts simultaneously) for those few minutes making any other choice not very rational in terms of earning an income.

Given that the feature is intended to award activity, not mindless ratting, I encourage CCP to quickly get around to their stated intention and expand the feature. If it truly just rewarded everyone in the background for playing as they normally do I would have little problem with it. But it doesn't. As implemented, the disproportionate reward skews play in the sandbox towards a meaningless and trivial activity making a mockery of the claim that New Eden is a sandbox where you can do what you want and forces me to do something I don't like and that adds almost nothing to the greater shared universe just because it pays so much better than the alternatives.

Personally, given that SP can be exchanged for ISK now, the daily part of it doesn't bother me as much as there already exists much incentive to log in daily (or otherwise) to earn rewards which you can spend on SP. But I do see how some people who have played this game for some of the last 13 years are displeased that a long-standing aspect of the game - the time-based progression of character power - has been tossed out the window. They have every right to point out to CCP that this change displeases them and puts players with irregular play time at a disadvantage to their peers, but CCP clearly sees this and is implementing this feature on purpose to disadvantage that play pattern and encourage more frequent logins. I don't see that will be a fight they will win unless this the feature fails at its stated intention of increasing activity in the game.

SP = ISK.

8M ISK for less than 2 minutes work is much more than almost anything else and can be easily multiboxed. Feel free to turn that down, but personally I will cash that in each time I can and be richer than you. If I do that every time I log in will accumulate over time and I will have significantly more wealth than you. That means I can outbid you for useful market items to make me more wealth or spend it on more powerful gear to shoot you in spaceship combat, or I can pay more than you for PLEX if I choose forcing you to not use that system for game time, or grind much longer to do so. You will be weaker and poorer than me and I will be relatively stronger than you in the sandbox because I take this valuable daily reward while you cannot be bothered.

Fine with me.

Friend, I make more money trading than I would in incursions - ganking miners is just public service I provide to try to keep Eve interesting. In fact, I probably make more money trading than the dailies when I hit my stride and the competition is napping. Those resources are what allow me to do what I want in the sandbox and impose my will on other players. I can suicide Taloses if I want into a poor miner's only Exhumer without a second thought because I have accumulated wealth and have an income several-fold what even the best highsec resource gatherer can earn. So you are a fool if you leave that 500M ISK/h on the table because you are too lazy to spend a couple minutes shooting NPCs without risk when you first logon, especially when your opponent (like me) is taking it.

But the point is you shouldn't have to shoot NPCs each day without risk in a sandbox game just to keep up with the Joneses. As I have said multiple times over the last pages CCP is well aware of this and is intending to expand the activities they will use to reward your "activity" which is after all the goal of the feature, not to start a jihad against helpless highsec rats or force players to do things in the sandbox that they don't like doing.

Good. If this feature has to exist, let's get it into the least disruptive form possible. Eve isn't about shooting helpless rats - it is about interacting with other players (like by trading with them or shooting their ships, including mining ships). Let's not make it such by rewarding that activity above almost all others.

I have no problem with you earning ISK or extra SP via this feature for whatever reason you want. Certainly I am.

But have you not been listening? I have a problem with the fact that this feature requires myself and everyone else to shoot a rat every time they log on. Personally, I find that an annoying and meaningless activity. It has no risk or challenge, does not promote player interaction, adds nothing to the greater sandbox, and is mandatory because it awards so much that you are at a disadvantage if you choose not to take it. It was only chosen as the first "activity" condition as many players do it during the course of their regular game play, but of course in a game like Eve many do not. CCP has already proposed the solution - rewarding other activities than just shooting a rat - and all I am saying is CCP should get on that.

Don't worry, no one is going to take away your easy ISK/SP. Just don't pretend it isn't mandatory to run the daily when you can in a competitive sandbox game to keep up with the other players.

Let's just a figure away to award activity properly to make everyone happy, or at least happier.

Your definition of mandatory is bad.

I agree with your depiction of the current situation; but while you say they should expand it, I say they should get rid of it.

However, I think it might be at least slightly more palatable if they did get it expanded (without stacking) to additional activity options, so that it really is just a reward for being active in some way, rather than trying to direct anyone's gameplay.

Even in that case, I think I would still be opposed to any form of dailies in EVE, but that might just be me.

Sorry, but how much are you falling behind people, because you are not playing every day? Not 8h/day? At your skillevel and with your resources it's just a joke. You have probably maxed out every skill for your favorite ships so the deciding factor are your skills not the skills or money of your toon.