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CCP Kill AFKING-Summer Expansion 2012 Campaign
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cpu939
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#241 - 2012-01-15 05:23:35 UTC
met worst wrote:
cpu939 wrote:
i have to agree with alot of people here afk is not a problem unless your running a bot.

however cloaking is, if your in space and i'm willing to hunt you down using probes, scaners ect ect i should be able to find you and kill you after all eve is a pvp game. your in space you risk dieing at any time

cloaking should make the above harder and need skills(books and probing skills) not just the stupid probes we have now, more like it was in 07 where you had to work it down to find your target.

Dude. They don't need probes to find you and can camp a system all day - denying it's resources - and not even be there.

It ain't about PvP.

Put simply, real men don't need cloaks.


ture but if the cowards are going to use them i want to be able to probe them out and kill them just like anyone else in space just make it harder will make the kill all the better for it, reward for all that hard work.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#242 - 2012-01-15 05:34:02 UTC
oh man i love threads like these, always full of dumb ideas

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
met worst
Doomheim
#243 - 2012-01-15 05:40:22 UTC
Andski wrote:
oh man i love threads like these, always full of dumb ideas

Versus a Goon who can't think for themselves and need Mittens to do it for them?

Hence. Existence of Goons is pretty well guaranteed as long as under-mummy's-skirt teenagers exist.
cpu939
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#244 - 2012-01-15 05:41:17 UTC
Andski wrote:
oh man i love threads like these, always full of dumb ideas


so do you wish to keep cloaking the way it is?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#245 - 2012-01-15 05:45:43 UTC
cpu939 wrote:
Andski wrote:
oh man i love threads like these, always full of dumb ideas


so do you wish to keep cloaking the way it is?


Yeah. No reason to fix what's not broken.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
met worst
Doomheim
#246 - 2012-01-15 05:52:24 UTC
Andski wrote:
cpu939 wrote:
Andski wrote:
oh man i love threads like these, always full of dumb ideas


so do you wish to keep cloaking the way it is?


Yeah. No reason to fix what's not broken.

Told ya.
Rhealee
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#247 - 2012-01-15 05:55:51 UTC
I for one love afk cloaking. Ive been on the recieving end and the dealing end. Afk cloaking really only comes into play in null sec. If your in null sec, you obviously are aware it can be dangerous. Heres my two views on the matter and why i believe its a perfectly reasonable tactic.

First off... the carebears being camped. Afk cloakers camp you all day, they weed out the unloyal and pure carebears in your own group. And good nullsec group can handle afk cloakers and even kill them easily. Simple have a standing fleet work as a team, make money and get kills. As null sec was intended.

Now from point of view from the one doing the cloaking. Ive done this many a times and enjoy it a lot. So many carebears talk **** and then later you get to pop them when least expected. This tactic of hitting a target and running off before a response is very demoralizing and quite fun. This tactic will weed out any weaklings in your target group. This tactic should stay simple because space is not safe, its a harsh environment and null sec especially. Everything is fair game, if you cant defend a constellation against 5 cloked ships why do you deserve to be there? CCP should change nothing. Everything is as intended. If you cant adapt to a tactic you dont deserve to beat it.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#248 - 2012-01-15 05:56:12 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
Im willing to bet isk that the OP is either some worthless renter or some scrubby CVA carebear.

Sorry not shedding any tears for you, if you cant handle the odd afk cloaker in your ratting system then go back to highsec where you belong.

Threads like these probably make more people roll AFK cloaking alts to snipe the OP.



Confirming I am currently afk cloaking 3 different systems and preventing 200+ players from undocking.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
cpu939
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#249 - 2012-01-15 05:57:30 UTC
Andski wrote:
cpu939 wrote:
Andski wrote:
oh man i love threads like these, always full of dumb ideas


so do you wish to keep cloaking the way it is?


Yeah. No reason to fix what's not broken.


not broken, hmmm the way I see it and I do state I, if your in space you risk being killed at any point goons have been doing this with miners in high sec. cloaking allows you to avoid that risk no one a far as i know no one has ever killed a claoked ship by locking it, ships that have cloaks fitted yes but only when they are off.

the problem is you can't target a cloaked ship so that broken but we can't change that part or maybe we could so we have to be able to find and decloak ships to kill them.
met worst
Doomheim
#250 - 2012-01-15 05:59:31 UTC
Rhealee wrote:
And good nullsec group can handle afk cloakers and even kill them easily.

No they can't.

Yet another NFI poaster. Roll
cpu939
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#251 - 2012-01-15 06:03:43 UTC
Rhealee wrote:
space is not safe, its a harsh environment and null sec especially. Everything is fair game


your words are great, space is not save your in it i should be able to find and kill you its harsh but true your fair game too.
Rhealee
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#252 - 2012-01-15 06:15:27 UTC
met worst wrote:
Rhealee wrote:
And good nullsec group can handle afk cloakers and even kill them easily.

No they can't.

Yet another NFI poaster. Roll

Thats all you have is no they cant?

Insta lock arty canes pop em on jump in or decloak

Bait ships

Logi support while ratting

Dramiel or two on that mining op

Theres just a few ways you can combat it. Sounds to me your just mad cause you lost something juicy. Just about everything in this game has a counter tactic. Its not our jobs or ccp's to tell you the right or wrong way to play the game. If we loose afk cloaking we would be worse off than we are now. More isk would be flooding into the game and inflation would go up. Besides if this afk bothers you so much go to highsec run incursions.

I dont like faction warfare, so i avoid it. I recommend you try the same. Save null sec for people that can handle it. You dont see wormholers bitching about needing local and afkers, because they adapt to the surroundings. If your surroundings are afk cloakers it puts you about in the same boat as living in npc null sec. Quit your bitching, do other things if you cant handle it, afk cloaking isnt broken.
met worst
Doomheim
#253 - 2012-01-15 06:29:55 UTC
Rhealee wrote:
met worst wrote:
Rhealee wrote:
And good nullsec group can handle afk cloakers and even kill them easily.

No they can't.

Yet another NFI poaster. Roll

Thats all you have is no they cant?

Insta lock arty canes pop em on jump in or decloak

Bait ships

Logi support while ratting

Dramiel or two on that mining op

Theres just a few ways you can combat it. Sounds to me your just mad cause you lost something juicy. Just about everything in this game has a counter tactic. Its not our jobs or ccp's to tell you the right or wrong way to play the game. If we loose afk cloaking we would be worse off than we are now. More isk would be flooding into the game and inflation would go up. Besides if this afk bothers you so much go to highsec run incursions.

I dont like faction warfare, so i avoid it. I recommend you try the same. Save null sec for people that can handle it. You dont see wormholers bitching about needing local and afkers, because they adapt to the surroundings. If your surroundings are afk cloakers it puts you about in the same boat as living in npc null sec. Quit your bitching, do other things if you cant handle it, afk cloaking isnt broken.

1) Never lost **** to a cloaky. Always docked or waited 'em out. Standard procedure for 90% of alliances.
2a) "instalocked canes" - lol. So you KNOW where AND when they'll decloak? Betcha don't/can't.
2b) Logi. Lol. How many? Been blopped?
2c) Drams for defense. Lol. See 2a and 2b
3) No blop pilot worth their salt falls for a bait ship.
4) Which ratter/miner you and your hero blop stoppers going to protect - all of 'em?
5) AFK cloaking is not being asked for removal. Making them work like they need to in a WH is potentially best option (change anoms to sigs). The very reason why WH pilots don't complain.
6) "Do something else". Hey guess what. A lot do. Part of the reason only 11% are "out there".

As I said - NFI.
Rhealee
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#254 - 2012-01-15 06:39:36 UTC
Not sure what nfi stands for.

And when it comes to fighting a cloaky or a BO gang your right, its going to be tough. Not everyone wants eve to be easy. I for one enjoy the hard fights over point click shoot.

Cloaking gives you the upperhand and ability to choose your fights. They aren't invincible and shouldnt be treated as such.

The canes work against bombing runs and when you see them in intel comming your way at a gate.

What is the valid argument to get rid of afk cloaking? How is it broke or hurting the game? And if we toss out afk cloaking do we toss out afk mining and afk carrier ratting too?
Maggeridon Thoraz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#255 - 2012-01-15 06:44:44 UTC
there is actually no afk cloaker ! why ?

there are no game mechanics showing that the cloaker is afk. Untill that you have only an afk illusion in your mind.

ccp cannot fix your mind, you are the one that has to fix your mind.


but i guess the whiners will get what they want sooner or later , making nullsec less safe by adapting wh local to nullsec.


if you are afraid of the cloaky just move some systems with you carebear activities.
met worst
Doomheim
#256 - 2012-01-15 06:49:58 UTC
Rhealee wrote:
Not sure what nfi stands for.

And when it comes to fighting a cloaky or a BO gang your right, its going to be tough. Not everyone wants eve to be easy. I for one enjoy the hard fights over point click shoot.

Cloaking gives you the upperhand and ability to choose your fights. They aren't invincible and shouldnt be treated as such.

The canes work against bombing runs and when you see them in intel comming your way at a gate.

What is the valid argument to get rid of afk cloaking? How is it broke or hurting the game? And if we toss out afk cloaking do we toss out afk mining and afk carrier ratting too?

Maybe you need to grind your way through the whole thread.

The issue is not what they ARE doing that's the problem, it's the threat of what they can do - even when they are in bed asleep. An AFK cloaker is NOT active but has exactly the same effect as though he is. It's a no-risk, no-counter tactic to deny hundreds of players their space - often for days at a time. And you CANNOT stop it.

Stopping them is fair game once they decloak and take someone on - no argument there and we all deserve to win/lose under "normal" circumstances/risk.

Quote:
if we toss out afk cloaking do we toss out afk mining and afk carrier ratting too?

Dammit yes!!!!

Hey wait a minute. Do you know what you said?

met worst
Doomheim
#257 - 2012-01-15 06:51:13 UTC
Maggeridon Thoraz wrote:
there is actually no afk cloaker ! why ?

there are no game mechanics showing that the cloaker is afk. Untill that you have only an afk illusion in your mind.

ccp cannot fix your mind, you are the one that has to fix your mind.


but i guess the whiners will get what they want sooner or later , making nullsec less safe by adapting wh local to nullsec.


if you are afraid of the cloaky just move some systems with you carebear activities.

Another NFI. Must be just before bedtime somewhere surely?
Maggeridon Thoraz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#258 - 2012-01-15 06:58:21 UTC
met worst wrote:

Another NFI. Must be just before bedtime somewhere surely?


actually no,jsut started to work :-(

let us know what means NFI
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#259 - 2012-01-15 07:46:37 UTC
Cyzlaki wrote:
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
Okay, a lot of people will probably scream that the AFK cloaker can't do anything, which is true, but you never know when he is really afk or not. Yes there are tactics against this, but most of them involve having a fleet on standby for a possibly indefinate amount of time.

So you either live with the fact that your miners or ratters can be ganked at random with zero warning or chance to defend themselves, or you exhaust your own people while trying to mount a defense. The cloaker has still all advantages because he can decide when and if he is willing to engage.

One of the results is, that alliances without access to moon goo and being dependant on mining or ratting can be easily kept from using their space and will always be at the disadvantage to the super alliances.


Valid tactic. Denying alliances the space they grinded structures so long for is one of the sweetest things in EVE. Your tears sustain me.


You still don't get it, I left 0.0 because I don't want to be a slave of the CSM-alliances and your valid tactic, denying others from even playing the game, is one of the reasons I will never return.

So these were no tears, I simply stated facts and gave you one of the reasons, why a lot of 0.0 space is empty. No one is going there, no one wants to even play EVE there and you personally waste your own gametime trying to drive away the last few persons living in that space.

The saddest person here is you, wasting your time in this activity.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#260 - 2012-01-15 08:15:25 UTC
met worst wrote:
The reality is that 90% of alliance ratters can't organise a revenge BBQ when confronted with said tactic let alone mount a fast enough response to stop the kill in the first place.

But this is NOT the issue. It's the threat of it when he's in bed. No counter UNTIL he pops up and WHEN that happens is unknown - possibly for days.



An "alliance" which goes to 0.0 with a "sacrifical lamb" attitude for their members is as worth as an industry hi sec "alliance" that explodes the instant someone war decs it.

Why in hell are you playing THE harsh PvP game, in THE harshest PvP zones, with an afk hi sec Mack miner attitude to begin with?


What's different in this thread than any thread created by a random hi sec ice miner with deadspace shield booster who had someone coming to pop them?

It seems the same attitude: "I just want to mine / rat in peace, leave me be".

That's fine, but EvE is a game of consequences, of broken sand castles, of nasty guys.
You got to accept EvE is EvE in the end.


met worst wrote:

An AFK cloaker is NOT active but has exactly the same effect as though he is. It's a no-risk, no-counter tactic to deny hundreds of players their space - often for days at a time. And you CANNOT stop it


Imagine if something prevented AFK cloaking...

...



...



... and people in corps like DR who have/had 24/7 coverage just take turns at logging on cloakers in your system, i.e. 6 guys staying non AFK taking turns for 4 hours a day?


What other thread would we see? Nerf non AFK cloaking?


EvE players are not stupid, they DO circumvent silly obstacles like that.

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