Player Features and Ideas Discussion

well if you're still ratting with several neuts in system thats your own fault

and about your little probing idea?
I suppose you have one of those unprobable T3s don't you?
still bitter about the nerf?

all the time
thats how I keep my girlish sec status

You want to get rid of the threat of AFK cloakers? Get rid of free instant intel in the form of immediate mode local chat.

Let's be honest. The real reason people afk cloak is to put fear of ship loss into the hearts of nulsec carebears. This would also put a huge dent into botting if the bots don't know that someone not on the blue list just entered system. AFK cloakers depend on the perceived threat. Only occasionally do they actually violence someone's boat. Even then, they have to choose carefully. Bombers aren't exactly the best of pvp ships. They have limited engagement windows. As long as you don't do something stupid, you probably won't get shot.

Yeah, sometimes that cloaker has a cyno and you get hotdropped. Butmakign changes to cloaking is basically saying "I want to rat risk free and make massive sums of isk doing it."

I'm recalling something about risk vs reward.

There are already plenty of ways to tell if someone has come into your ratting system. But since OP clearly wants no effort/risk pve, I don't expect such things like intel channels and flying in standing fleets will get done.

Agreed but tell that to a bloke trying to make a living.


Absolutely not. If you know he's active then you dock up - as per SOP - or you keep ratting and take your chances.


A single AFK cloaky get's all the rewards denying the entire system totally risk free and he's what - 30 days old?


It's not about the ones coming in - it's about the ones who cloak up and go to bed. Removing him from local while he sleeps doesn't remove the percieved threat.

And yeah. Standing fleets.... Lol. Another cloaky win requiring no effort. Cloak. Warp to 100. Collect.

Yep, no local works in a WH simply because the vast majority of stuff worth taking is sigged - 0.0 is mostly anoms - it's why AFK cloakies are so effective.

And causes - wait for it - "Interstellar Exodus".

Worth the wait? Chortle. Snort. Guffaw.

(I see what you do there)

AFK Cloakers can remove themselves from local while they sleep now, they can log off. They cyno just as many people into your ratting system and they relay just as much intel logged off as logged on. They'll still be in system if they want to log in again and raise hell. They can watch Dotlan to see where your alliance's juicy ratting systems are at a particular moment without being logged in.

AFK Cloakers (If we're talking about people who sit around in covert ops ships and cannot possibly do anything to you) do not work in wormhole space because there is no local. They work in 0.0 because people watch local and expect it to keep them informed but local doesn't tell them the difference between someone preying on ships while cloaked and someone who is just there. People who are hunting cloaked can probe people and things down and hunt in wormhole space, but wormhole space carebears are ready for them. 0.0 carebears should be ready for 0.0 hunters.

In the Botverse, it's an issue.

CCP has taken a position on the matter. Fortunately for us it's not your position.

BTW, was that your system that one of the wh's I was exploring opened up to in null the other night? When I got there your mack's immediately pos'd up so I decided to go afk for a few hours in your ice belt. Is this what you're crying about?

Also, FYI, AFK cloakers can absolutely do you no harm. You know this right?

Threads like these probably make more people roll AFK cloaking alts to snipe the OP.

i have to agree with alot of people here afk is not a problem unless your running a bot.

however cloaking is, if your in space and i'm willing to hunt you down using probes, scaners ect ect i should be able to find you and kill you after all eve is a pvp game. your in space you risk dieing at any time

cloaking should make the above harder and need skills(books and probing skills) not just the stupid probes we have now, more like it was in 07 where you had to work it down to find your target.