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Astrahus fitting for refining - questions
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Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#1 - 2016-06-10 20:45:13 UTC
Okay so I have an Astrahus and I installed a Standup M-Set I2 Materials Reclamation I and a Standup M-Set HS Materials Reclamation I in hopes of getting that sweet 52% refining. I know it's not much, and I intend to upgrade as ISK permits in the ice system I'm in, but I am running into some issues.

On two characters I've tried using it on, the "Base Yield" is always 50%. I am testing on ice as it is all I mine. On the top right of the left column it also shows a 50% recycle amount on the bar. I have not been able to test on my dedicated reprocessing character but if the 50% base remains then obviously I am doing something wrong.

Do I need to install the Standup L-Set XX Grading Processors, or should these have been the install to begin with, or was I correct in picking the M-Set?


Some "fixes" I've found on forums or Reddit that have not helped: Taking control then leaving the Citadel, session changing then returning to the Citadel, changing tax back and forth on Citadel. Thanks!

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2016-06-10 22:32:28 UTC
The answer to life, the universe, and everything: 42.

Do you honestly expect a single number to explain everything?

You can reprocess different materials at the same time. It is the base amount.

Do your own math on the materials in the input and output window to verify the yield. Blink
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#3 - 2016-06-11 00:47:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Morgan Torry
I get that, I was just wondering why the base yield shows at 50%, when the rig clearly says it'll make it 52%. I am assuming this is it because all the other modifiers are unchanged between station and Citadel. I just went to a station and compared the two outputs and they are 100% the same. So my Citadel currently with T1 rigs are just as effective as an NPC station.

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Jasmine Cheryu
Bearers of Impurism
#4 - 2016-06-11 02:15:11 UTC
Morgan Torry wrote:
I get that, I was just wondering why the base yield shows at 50%, when the rig clearly says it'll make it 52%. I am assuming this is it because all the other modifiers are unchanged between station and Citadel. I just went to a station and compared the two outputs and they are 100% the same. So my Citadel currently with T1 rigs are just as effective as an NPC station.



Do the math yourself -- there seems to be a small issue with the 'yield' calculation in the reprocessing currently, and it is not accurate and therefore should NOT be trusted.

This being said.. I personally have achieved 78% yield in highsec on normal ore (not ice though)


1: Make sure all skills for refining are at level V
2: Make sure you have the best reprocessing implant (+4%)
3: Use ONLY ONE RIG on the citadel for reprocessing.. I believe if you use more than one, it negates both effects and you get the base of 50% refine)
Depending on what ice you are mining, you will want EITHER ONE of the following two rigs:
Standup M-Set I1 Materials Reclamation
Standup M-Set I2 Materials Reclamation

l1 covers:
Clear Icicle, Enriched Clear Icicle, White Glaze, Pristine White Glaze, Glare Crust, Gelidus, Dark Glitter, and Krystallos
l2 covers:
Blue Ice, Thick Blue Ice, Glacial Mass, Smooth Glacial Mass, Glare Crust, Gelidus, Dark Glitter, and Krystallos

4: Fit the T2 rigs (around 1-2 billion for a medium I believe) to increase your yield a further +2%





How to do the calculations? (just incase you're not sure)

(amount of reprocessed materials)/(amount of materials if refined at 100%) * 100 = yield in percent

A worked example using ore:
(note: 100 Veldspar gives 415 Tritanium at 100% refine)
My yield on my citadel gives 324 tritanium
therefore:
(324/415)*100 = 78.0723%

A worked example using ice:
(note: 1 block of blue ice gives 414 Oxygen Isotopes at 100% refine)
My yield on my citadel gives 322 Oxygen Isotopes
therefore:
(322/414)*100 = 77.7778%

Do note the following aspects:
The more you refine as a batch -- the more materials you will get from the refine
Also when you are doing calculations, with ice and other ores, you will get many different products from refining. For a more accurate percentage of your yield, you should ALWAYS choose the material with the highest abunance. That is why I used Oxygen Isotopes in the above example.


I hope this helps, please let me know if there are any more questions or problems I can help you with
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#5 - 2016-06-12 04:13:08 UTC
After I made this thread I went and did the math, and I am looking at improved reprocessing compared to the numbers given by the window. I'm guessing this is something across multiple instances not just Citadels, but in the name of science I ripped out my T1 ore rig to test it on the T1 ice rig (since if I can get this working I'll probably bite the bullet and upgrade to T2) and I did not notice a difference, but it is still more than 50% depending on the character.

Quite interesting that something so paramount to the economy of EVE has such a publicly noticeable bug.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2016-06-13 20:37:35 UTC
Morgan Torry wrote:
... in the name of science I ripped out my T1 ore rig to test it on the T1 ice rig (since if I can get this working I'll probably bite the bullet and upgrade to T2) and I did not notice a difference, but it is still more than 50% depending on the character.

Quite interesting that something so paramount to the economy of EVE has such a publicly noticeable bug.

Did you wait for a sever downtime after removing the rig?

Keep in mind that many things are cached for performance and server load reasons. Sometimes one has to flush the cache to see any change.