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Lari Wolf
#161 - 2016-06-10 19:04:36 UTC
From Russia with misunderstanding, translated by Google.

Launched through exefile.exe in Win XP client will function?
If "yes", how much time will continue to use in WinXP?

CCP Explorer wrote:
Drazz Caylen wrote:
Amak Boma wrote:
what kind of workaround
I know someone who hasn't seen a launcher in ages and only boots directly from the bin folder. If there is a patch, that person uses the repair function to "patch", which is outside of any launcher.
If by "repair function" you are referring to the old Repair Tool, then that will stop working as a part of us phasing out the old launcher.


Replacing "repair tool" will be created?

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#162 - 2016-06-10 19:25:47 UTC
Lari Wolf wrote:
From Russia with misunderstanding, translated by Google.

Launched through exefile.exe in Win XP client will function?
If "yes", how much time will continue to use in WinXP?

CCP Explorer wrote:
Drazz Caylen wrote:
Amak Boma wrote:
what kind of workaround
I know someone who hasn't seen a launcher in ages and only boots directly from the bin folder. If there is a patch, that person uses the repair function to "patch", which is outside of any launcher.
If by "repair function" you are referring to the old Repair Tool, then that will stop working as a part of us phasing out the old launcher.


Replacing "repair tool" will be created?


maybe he means "things will just work"....doubt it though Lol

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KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#163 - 2016-06-10 22:59:29 UTC
I skipped a page or two in this thread, so apologies if this was answered...

How can you tell which launcher you're using? Seems dumb, but I re-subbed in late May and copied some of the EvE files from old PC and re-downloaded others. All seems to be working fine, but I don't know if I've got the new or old launcher.

I appreciate any info

KB

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Paranoid Loyd
#164 - 2016-06-10 23:06:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
KaarBaak wrote:
How can you tell which launcher you're using?

Old

New

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Coriolis Chandrasekhar
Red Phoenix Rising
#165 - 2016-06-10 23:24:45 UTC
Resinball wrote:
thank ******* god... the chip manufacturers are even on board with this, which is even more reason to force an upgrade for an old dead systems with huge security holes. NO MORE SUB 10!!! HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong.

Thank you CCP For ending legacy device support.


This
Azahar Ortenegro
Seashells and Fireflies
#166 - 2016-06-11 20:19:26 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Everyone who has a specific issue using the new Launcher, e.g., SSL errors or migration questions; please post a new topic here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=7296


Still waiting after CCP Vertex, maybe you can answer for him. Will you allow the launcher to manage several installations of the game separately, as in not launched with the same ID?
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
#167 - 2016-06-12 00:42:10 UTC
Lari Wolf wrote:
Replacing "repair tool" will be created?
No, it will not.

CCP Explorer wrote:
.... Repair Tool... will stop working ...
Moostang
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#168 - 2016-06-12 01:23:12 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
and puts us in a better position to end DirectX 9 support in the near future.


Please fix the client crashes that occur with DX11. If i use DX9 the client never crashes. But with DX11 it frequently crashes.
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#169 - 2016-06-12 13:02:03 UTC
Lari Wolf wrote:
From Russia with misunderstanding, translated by Google.

Launched through exefile.exe in Win XP client will function?
If "yes", how much time will continue to use in WinXP?
Yes, that will work. We can't guarantee for how long that will work and you would have to be able to patch using some other (not supported) mechanism than the new launcher.

Lari Wolf wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Drazz Caylen wrote:
Amak Boma wrote:
what kind of workaround
I know someone who hasn't seen a launcher in ages and only boots directly from the bin folder. If there is a patch, that person uses the repair function to "patch", which is outside of any launcher.
If by "repair function" you are referring to the old Repair Tool, then that will stop working as a part of us phasing out the old launcher.
Replacing "repair tool" will be created?
No, there won't be a separate tool, the new launcher patches, verifies integrity and repairs.

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Violent CEO
Violent Femmes
#170 - 2016-06-12 14:17:28 UTC
So my graphic card only supports up to DX 10.1, does that mean that in the future I wo't be able to play the game? Even tho I have windows 10 installed?
Kebur Valeren
Han Solo Fridge
#171 - 2016-06-13 09:14:56 UTC
Lari Wolf wrote:
Launched through exefile.exe in Win XP client will function?


CCP Explorer wrote:
Yes, that will work.


Could you clarify something please, because the wording of the announcement is a bit odd.

Basically, the launcher currently (and I suspect the new version is no different) serves two purposes: update the client and launch it.

The announcement says that it will be not possible to "launch the client" from the new launcher. That raises two questions:

1) Would it be still possible to launch the client directly, not using the new launcher? Seems that gets a "yes" from a dev.

2) Would it be possible to use the new launcher for updating? That is unclear - if yes, then basically XP users are only losing the ability to launch a client from the launcher, which is not a big deal. If no, then what could be used for updating the client?
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#172 - 2016-06-13 10:00:53 UTC
Kebur Valeren wrote:
Lari Wolf wrote:
Launched through exefile.exe in Win XP client will function?

CCP Explorer wrote:
Yes, that will work.

Could you clarify something please, because the wording of the announcement is a bit odd.

Basically, the launcher currently (and I suspect the new version is no different) serves two purposes: update the client and launch it.

The announcement says that it will be not possible to "launch the client" from the new launcher. That raises two questions:

1) Would it be still possible to launch the client directly, not using the new launcher? Seems that gets a "yes" from a dev.

Yes; but we can't guarantee for how long that will work. At some point the game client itself will start to use functionality only available in Windows 7 and newer, or we remove the login functionality from the game client and require logins to happen through the launcher. But for now it will work on Windows XP, but is not supported.

Kebur Valeren wrote:

2) Would it be possible to use the new launcher for updating? That is unclear - if yes, then basically XP users are only losing the ability to launch a client from the launcher, which is not a big deal. If no, then what could be used for updating the client?

It won't be possible to use the new launcher to update on Windows XP, because the new launcher doesn't work on Windows XP. There is not going to be a replacement for update functionality on Windows XP.

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Kebur Valeren
Han Solo Fridge
#173 - 2016-06-13 10:52:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Kebur Valeren
CCP Explorer wrote:

It won't be possible to use the new launcher to update on Windows XP, because the new launcher doesn't work on Windows XP. There is not going to be a replacement for update functionality on Windows XP.


So there will be no way to update the client on XP (like old-times style, when patches could have been simply downloaded and run), correct?

If so, maybe it should be reflected in the announcement. Because right now it is worded in a way that it will not be possible just "to launch the client" with the new launcher, but if it will not be possible to update the client either (with or without launcher), that effectively means that XP users will lose the ability to play the game with the first patch after that change.
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#174 - 2016-06-13 11:32:39 UTC
Kebur Valeren wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:

It won't be possible to use the new launcher to update on Windows XP, because the new launcher doesn't work on Windows XP. There is not going to be a replacement for update functionality on Windows XP.

So there will be no way to update the client on XP (like old-times style, when patches could have been simply downloaded and run), correct?
Correct; we are sunsetting Windows XP and not supporting it anymore.

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Azahar Ortenegro
Seashells and Fireflies
#175 - 2016-06-13 14:30:30 UTC
No. What's correct is that you're removing the possibility to play EVE on XP.

Still waiting for an answer by the way.
CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#176 - 2016-06-13 18:04:35 UTC
Azahar Ortenegro wrote:
Still waiting for an answer by the way.

No, the new launcher does not support multiple installs of the client executable for a single server. I'd recommend explaining the complete problem (including the specific issue you're trying to solve, which if I understand correctly is stacking of the application icons in the Windows dock) in a thread in the Eve Launcher forum. The launcher developers monitor that area closely.

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Azahar Ortenegro
Seashells and Fireflies
#177 - 2016-06-13 20:18:04 UTC
We'll see if they can change it before the end of the month.
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
#178 - 2016-06-13 22:11:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Drazz Caylen
CCP Explorer wrote:
Yes, that will work. We can't guarantee for how long that will work and you would have to be able to patch using some other (not supported) mechanism than the new launcher.


But how? If the repair.exe will cease to work, and the old launcher will be deleted and the new launcher not functioning on Windows XP, what other options are there?
Does it mean that Windows XP can still play eve until the first hotfix comes in, which might as well be the next day?
Does it mean that manually downloading files from a sneaky community effort like www.eve-xp-lives.net will provide the changed files per patch to download and overwrite manually?
Or is there another way that is legit?

Don't get me wrong, this is not bashing on you, but you've been just tearing the clouds apart that hung over the windows XP users but didn't quite deliver the ray of sunlight they waited for. If you tease something like that, could you please follow up with the steps and info necessary as to the future status quo of windows XP eve patching? I'm sure a good number of loyal eve fans will give you respect and gratitude if you share the backdoor past the fortification with them.
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#179 - 2016-06-13 22:49:41 UTC
Drazz Caylen wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Yes, that will work. We can't guarantee for how long that will work and you would have to be able to patch using some other (not supported) mechanism than the new launcher.


But how? If the repair.exe will cease to work, and the old launcher will be deleted and the new launcher not functioning on Windows XP, what other options are there?
Does it mean that Windows XP can still play eve until the first hotfix comes in, which might as well be the next day?
Does it mean that manually downloading files from a sneaky community effort like www.eve-xp-lives.net will provide the changed files per patch to download and overwrite manually?
Or is there another way that is legit?
There will be no official supported mechanism to update on Windows XP. The last day of support is 30 June.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
#180 - 2016-06-14 12:29:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Drazz Caylen
Fair enough, as far as official statements go.

You still said there would be ways to update Windows XP, albeit unsupported.

Translated this means you can't give an official response because you're likely bound by the company to not give any further details. It's understandable. All that is left now is for the community to figure out a way for windows XP after the 30th to continue patching. Unfortunate for the playerbase that you can't give a list of CLEARLY UNSUPPORTED possibilities to continue patching.
My best bet remains manual file overwrites or something the like.