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Nanako Chosokabe
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2016-06-09 23:00:59 UTC
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
How about instead of stupid flowers you split a chunk of your beloved ISK between the families of the Federation citizens you murdered?


Why? they are fully compensated already by the state.

BTW, "murdered"....lol...nice drama. Every soldier know blue-on-blue is a possibility in war and we all accept that. If the higher-ups didn't like my report of the incidents(s) then they will act and I will be notified...so far, my inbox is still empty.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#62 - 2016-06-09 23:01:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Well...... I guess I'm seconding Claudia's motion. I just don't feel right saying it because... Meh.

Ugh

Edit for your last thing:
If it repeatedly happens you'll be notified via termination of your contract with the FDU. But then again you can always rebuild your standings via flying with the TLF or..... You know, groups like Claudia and mine.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#63 - 2016-06-09 23:04:27 UTC
Rook Moray wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Seeing as how I am Gallente myself, I have no such qualms about recruiting from that side of the fence. Now, get an application into us lady.Big smile



Hey, if it's a "recruit her 'casue she's a Gallente" thing, then she should totally #JoinHorde.

Pirate


No. She's ours. We saw her first, you can't have her. :P

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#64 - 2016-06-09 23:19:22 UTC
Horde is a great group that you could learn alot from. They are also a Nullsec corporation which, while a very valuable experience (speaking as someone with more practical Nullsec experience than lowsec), from what it sounds like isn't what your looking into (unless consigning yourself to the Gallante Militia, an exclusively lowsec organization is somehow a sign you want to fly under different variables than what you signed up for). Don't get me wrong, as far as Nullsec goes they are an amazing group to go for and I would strongly suggest them. If that's not what your looking for, well we're always around...
Nanako Chosokabe
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2016-06-10 00:50:07 UTC
While I appreciate all the attention *blush*, for now I'll be sticking with just plain-old FDU. If I join up with somebody it will probably be local to help with an organized effort...something that seems to be lacking in FW apparently.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#66 - 2016-06-10 01:32:13 UTC
But I want you. I need a new preistess to carry on my religion. My last one left me to get with a member of some Minmatar boyband.... Q_Q

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#67 - 2016-06-10 03:11:51 UTC
Nanako Chosokabe wrote:
BTW, "murdered"....lol...nice drama. Every soldier know blue-on-blue is a possibility in war and we all accept that. If the higher-ups didn't like my report of the incidents(s) then they will act and I will be notified...so far, my inbox is still empty.

People like you are why some parents tell their kids fright-stories about capsuleers and beg them not to join the navy or take jobs on ships.
If the Navy operates like the Fleet, the only reason you're not under judicial investigation is because you're a capsuleer and they can't really do anything to you except hit your standings (and kick you out of the FDU if there are more blue-on-blue incidents). Having standard procedures that recognize that capsuleers are hard to punish isn't the same as approving of your actions.
Nanako Chosokabe
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2016-06-10 05:12:57 UTC
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
People like you are why some parents tell their kids fright-stories about capsuleers and beg them not to join the navy or take jobs on ships.


LOL...I doubt that considering the never-ending supply of crews for ships of all types. What parents truly know is that we all get a little dirt under our fingernails from time to time and those that try to hide that fact behind absolutes are the ones truly to fear.
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#69 - 2016-06-10 09:09:25 UTC
Nanako Chosokabe wrote:
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
People like you are why some parents tell their kids fright-stories about capsuleers and beg them not to join the navy or take jobs on ships.


LOL...I doubt that considering the never-ending supply of crews for ships of all types. What parents truly know is that we all get a little dirt under our fingernails from time to time and those that try to hide that fact behind absolutes are the ones truly to fear.

You've never been poor, have you? Right, of course not, it takes pretty unusual circumstances for someone to go from poor to capsuleer.
So you have no idea where a big part of that never-ending supply comes from. You don't know what it's like for the people who join crews because those jobs pay well and they don't have any other options that can get their family out of debt before they become homeless. You don't know what it's like for the people who join the navy to pay for university and a way-too-valuable head start in their career, thinking if they die before their tour's over at least they'll die defending their people from actual enemies (and not stupid trigger-happy eggers who are supposed to be on their side).
I don't know exactly and personally what that's like either. Maybe if things had gone different I would've joined up with the Fleet so my parents wouldn't have to worry all the time about paying for the expensive medication they need. That is one of the reasons I went forward with becoming a capsuleer. We do risk our lives in capsuleer training. But being randomly shot dead on campus isn't really one of the risks we have to deal with. Fatal implant problems, wetgraving: no one's responsible for that kind of thing, or at least there's no committed act.

And since capsuleers have only been around for 13 years, no observations are going to show yet what choices might be made by kids who grow up hearing fright-stories about them from a really young age.
Nanako Chosokabe
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2016-06-10 14:45:23 UTC
Stardate: 10.6.2016.118
Region: Essence, Villore(0.5)
Entry: What a lovely morning

Two big milestones to report on today: The first one being that my estimated net worth is now past the 100M ISK mark which is quite amazing considering my short time in space. Only 22% of that is in ISK mind you so I have a lot of work ahead of me converting that to something more 'spendable'.

The second milestone is that my SK-Meter is showing that I passed 1,000,000SP last night while I was sleeping. Yay! I'm still trying to focus on core training but I do also need some other basics so I've picked-up a lot of them along the way too just to get them to level I.

Had another stressful but fun time in LowSec. At this level when using a T1 Frigate with barely enough skills to get her started each day, it's pretty much a cat n'mouse game. The types of ships people are flying is incredible. I saw a Worm snooping around and I'm guessing that was probably worth 80M ISK, easy. Needless to say I hightailed it for the gate.

Late in my day-cycle seems to be a quite time in space. I was easily able to capture three complexes by myself...one being a large one that took forever to claim. Not a single enemy ship was spotted then and only one or two noncoms passes through the system.

I launched the HMCS Cape Breton too yesterday with much less fanfare. Pretty much the same fittings but I haven't gotten around to filling an empty top slot with a salvager yet and I down-graded the blasters to just regular light neuts as the price just didn't warrant the fancy stuff. I did switch to Federation rounds though as with loyalty points, they were "free".

Oh, I also destroyed a Serpentis Baron which was really not very sporting. Once I dispatched the destroyer guarding her, I just orbited it as close and as fast as possible and chipped away...it took forever and I even had to return to get more ammo! Those Pirates really need better tactics...

Here's hoping for another pleasant day out there....
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#71 - 2016-06-10 15:21:34 UTC
I wouldn't put a salvage on a combat ship. It's a waste of a high slot. Nute for the extra slot and bump the guns to tech 2 or meta 4, trust me, it is worth the cost. If you're looking to salvage, keep a ship dedicated for that task nearby. Fitting your ships for multi-tasking is a good way to get them to explode if you plan on doing any sort of PvP.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Nanako Chosokabe
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2016-06-10 15:29:17 UTC
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
You've never been poor, have you? Right, of course not, it takes pretty unusual circumstances for someone to go from poor to capsuleer.
So you have no idea where a big part of that never-ending supply comes from. You don't know what it's like for the people who join crews because those jobs pay well and they don't have any other options that can get their family out of debt before they become homeless. You don't know what it's like for the people who join the navy to pay for university and a way-too-valuable head start in their career, thinking if they die before their tour's over at least they'll die defending their people from actual enemies (and not stupid trigger-happy eggers who are supposed to be on their side).
I don't know exactly and personally what that's like either. Maybe if things had gone different I would've joined up with the Fleet so my parents wouldn't have to worry all the time about paying for the expensive medication they need. That is one of the reasons I went forward with becoming a capsuleer. We do risk our lives in capsuleer training. But being randomly shot dead on campus isn't really one of the risks we have to deal with. Fatal implant problems, wetgraving: no one's responsible for that kind of thing, or at least there's no committed act.



I'm not linked to a FW data point at the moment but the last time I looked, over 800 ships (of all sizes) were destroyed in the previous 24hr period. Lets say half of those were frigates with (normally) no crew. Lets say that 45% were destroyers with, oh about 20 crewmen aboard and the other 5% were cruisers with 100 people on each. That means that approximately 11,000 crewmen died in a single 24hr period and that's ignoring any ship larger than a cruiser which is pretty unrealistic. Now expand that to cover a calendar year...that's over 4 million crewmen dying each year in the faction war...minimum. And to be clear, this is just for faction wars. Many, many times more die in corp wars, criminal activity and just accidentally flying into a sun, etc, etc etc...

During the Bloodbath of B-R5RB, over 8M crew died in a single day just on Titains alone and over 11M on Dreadnoughts. I won't even go into the rest of the classes of ships but I'm guessing the total casualty count was well over 50M in a single day.

So even with the staggering losses and low chance of surviving a career as a crew in space (regardless of type of ship), let alone surviving for long, the turnout of the shipping, navel and other academies is at an all-time high.

So you can have you reasons to hate people like me but the numbers back the fact that you are in the tiny, tiny, tiny minority of people that wring their hands over what pretty much everyone else know as life. The very fact that you are in space, most likely with a crew of your own is kinda humorous too...I'd have more respect for somebody totting around this hippy logic if they actually believed it and lived on terra firma but in reality, you are putting lives at risk just like the rest of us. Maybe it's guilt that drives you to your soapbox and veiled insults...
Nanako Chosokabe
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2016-06-10 15:38:12 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
I wouldn't put a salvage on a combat ship. It's a waste of a high slot. Nute for the extra slot and bump the guns to tech 2 or meta 4, trust me, it is worth the cost. If you're looking to salvage, keep a ship dedicated for that task nearby. Fitting your ships for multi-tasking is a good way to get them to explode if you plan on doing any sort of PvP.


Thanks for the advice. ATM I don't have the juice to mount a Nute/Nos or pretty much anything other than another set of lights or a salvager. So it's either an empty slot or something that earns ISK...

Also there is little point worrying about fitting a ship for combat when I'm pretty much at the bottom of the ladder. Heck the only ship close to me that I saw yesterday was another Tristan and he was using T2 drones/gun...not sure why he ran but the point is until I'm actually looking for PvP, there is no point to fit for it.

Oh and that Tristan that ran away came back with an Algos...then I ran away...Big smile
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#74 - 2016-06-10 15:58:59 UTC
Nanako Chosokabe wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
I wouldn't put a salvage on a combat ship. It's a waste of a high slot. Nute for the extra slot and bump the guns to tech 2 or meta 4, trust me, it is worth the cost. If you're looking to salvage, keep a ship dedicated for that task nearby. Fitting your ships for multi-tasking is a good way to get them to explode if you plan on doing any sort of PvP.


Thanks for the advice. ATM I don't have the juice to mount a Nute/Nos or pretty much anything other than another set of lights or a salvager. So it's either an empty slot or something that earns ISK...

Also there is little point worrying about fitting a ship for combat when I'm pretty much at the bottom of the ladder. Heck the only ship close to me that I saw yesterday was another Tristan and he was using T2 drones/gun...not sure why he ran but the point is until I'm actually looking for PvP, there is no point to fit for it.

Oh and that Tristan that ran away came back with an Algos...then I ran away...Big smile

Ah, I remember those days...

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#75 - 2016-06-10 15:59:26 UTC
Only time it would be useful would to be a heat sponge, keep it offlined in between guns in your high slot. Honestly I think I've only seen it done on one obscure fleet interceptor fit for either CO2 or something, I forget what group I was in when I saw it. Personally I'd use a neut for it because in a pinch I can use it to escape or something.
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#76 - 2016-06-10 19:40:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kolodi Ramal
Nanako Chosokabe wrote:
So you can have you reasons to hate people like me but the numbers back the fact that you are in the tiny, tiny, tiny minority of people that wring their hands over what pretty much everyone else know as life.

You're still operating on the false idea that when people don't want to do something they don't do it. Desperate people don't really have the freedom to not risk their lives doing something that can fix their situation.

Nanako Chosokabe wrote:
The very fact that you are in space, most likely with a crew of your own is kinda humorous too...I'd have more respect for somebody totting around this hippy logic if they actually believed it and lived on terra firma but in reality, you are putting lives at risk just like the rest of us. Maybe it's guilt that drives you to your soapbox and veiled insults...

You seem to stick to absolutes more than I do.
Middle-paths exist, if you care enough to look for them and walk them. They aren't ethically perfect but they're ethically responsible. There's difference in actions taken, and in outlook too.
For examples:
You see ISK where you could see lives. Not a big problem right now when all you're flying is frigates but as soon as you get into a destroyer or a not-Venture industrial...
You open fire on Federation Navy ships because they're red on your overview and keep firing until they're all destroyed, but you could have just left the complex and investigated.
You tell the IGS about your combat tactics in detail. I don't.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#77 - 2016-06-10 20:12:50 UTC
Be gentle with the rookie, Ramal. She's still finding out how life works as a capsuleer. We all had strong opinions of how things should be. Space will teach her comprise when she needs to learn it. Until then, enjoy watching the child grow while the stars are still bright in her eyes.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Nanako Chosokabe
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2016-06-10 21:55:13 UTC
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
Roll


People always have to do things they don't want to do and knowing full well what the job's risks/rewards are, these people choose to crew-up. "Desperate"? Sorry but no. Once again you frontload the debate with the "poor them" title that they didn't ask for nor want. They come from all walks of life and deserve to be respected for their choice to serve.

This is also going nowhere. If you actually believed anything you said you (a) wouldn't be in space on a ship with your own crew and (b) instead spending all your time trying to turn back the hands of time to an era before capsuleers...you know, when people didn't do what exact same thing but for ocean navies, air forces, armies, etc...

Enjoy your earnings....LOL...
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#79 - 2016-06-11 03:58:23 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Be gentle with the rookie, Ramal. She's still finding out how life works as a capsuleer. We all had strong opinions of how things should be. Space will teach her comprise when she needs to learn it. Until then, enjoy watching the child grow while the stars are still bright in her eyes.

She is no child. She is an adult with responsibilities.
Watching the path she's choosing, I don't see anything to enjoy.
Nanako Chosokabe
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2016-06-11 16:58:33 UTC
Stardate: 11.6.2016.118
Region: Essence, Villore(0.5)
Entry: Two!

Lost two ships yesterday. First one was to a honest to goodness PvP fight. I was in a plex when I saw a Merlin non-Faction capsuleer come into the system. I thought "Meh, could be an even fight, I wont run". Sure enough he made his way into the novice complex and we stared to tumble at 500-1500m. Before you yell at me for not kiting him, all say that I was too close to the beacon to start and was webbed right away anyways so...I hung in there for a while but he was doing about 5:1 damage it seemed and he buckled my hull before his shields were even threatened.

Lessons learnt
1) Respect the Merlin's brawl
2) Check the capsuleer-out before the fight. If he has over 42M SP, run away..fast.
3) Be better prepared (positional and in general)


The second loss was after a plex, I was heading home for my system which is a 0.5 and as I'm apparently an idiot, I didn't even look to see the system status for ships killed. The gate was camped by Caldari and I was insta-locked and destroyed in less than 2 second. Absolutely nothing I could do once in that position.

Lesson learnt
1) Check the path before heading out...especially if traveling through 0.5 or 0.6 systems.


Not sure of the numbers right now as I didn't have time to do the books this morning but I think I'm up about 10M ISK in net worth. So, still a profitable day.