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Why is Veld considered the best isk/hr?

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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#21 - 2016-06-08 17:04:28 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Kettrina Malice wrote:

Because I mine 150k m3 ore, grab my freighter, warp to 0, and then pick up 5 cans, warp back out. It's like a 3 and a half minute process every hour and a half. Ok? So explain to me how that is so inefficient it requires a completely appalled response? So Caleb, what is the correct min/max way?

There is this industrial that carries about 60k of ore, for about 2 million isk. Saves your freighter being ganked.
Also one should be using Retrievers with their ore hold of about 30k and warping straight to station, or people can can flip you.
Even when I'm mining if I see someone jetcanning I'll grab my procurer and can flip them.


Honestly - can flipping is very rare these days because the owner can just flip the can back without any repercussions. and the size of barge ore holds largely make it unnecessary. But if you still want to you can easily safely can mine. I used to do it all the time back in the day when I would semi-afk mine on one account while pvping on another. The secret to safe mining is to pick an out of the way place to mine. In all the time I mined I was flipped only once (the guy didnt realize that I only mine in battle barges).

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Kettrina Malice
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2016-06-08 17:07:16 UTC
Lugues Slive wrote:
There is something off in your math.

From the link, mineral prices are;

Trit - 6.04
Pyerite - 9.61
Iso - 97.30

Now ignoring refine rate because you state they are the same;

Veld - 42.5 trit/m3 * 6.04 = 250.66 isk/m3
Omber - 13.33 trit * 6.04 + 1.67 pyerite * 9.61 + 1.42 iso * 97.30 = 234.856 isk/m3

Now of course your local market may be different.



I mean I don't know what to tell you. It's straight off of that website, it has Veld at 148.51/m3. I'm not sure what market data it's pulling but I will agree it doesn't all math up.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#23 - 2016-06-08 17:11:46 UTC
Kettrina Malice wrote:
Feldspar being the best.



Let's mine some Veldspar



Don't you mean 'Feldspar'?



Not if you want to get sued!

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Kettrina Malice
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2016-06-08 17:14:45 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Kettrina Malice wrote:

Because I mine 150k m3 ore, grab my freighter, warp to 0, and then pick up 5 cans, warp back out. It's like a 3 and a half minute process every hour and a half. Ok? So explain to me how that is so inefficient it requires a completely appalled response? So Caleb, what is the correct min/max way?

There is this industrial that carries about 60k of ore, for about 2 million isk. Saves your freighter being ganked.
Also one should be using Retrievers with their ore hold of about 30k and warping straight to station, or people can can flip you.
Even when I'm mining if I see someone jetcanning I'll grab my procurer and can flip them.


Honestly - can flipping is very rare these days because the owner can just flip the can back without any repercussions. and the size of barge ore holds largely make it unnecessary. But if you still want to you can easily safely can mine. I used to do it all the time back in the day when I would semi-afk mine on one account while pvping on another. The secret to safe mining is to pick an out of the way place to mine. In all the time I mined I was flipped only once (the guy didnt realize that I only mine in battle barges).


Yeah, I mine on my laptop while doing other stuff on my main. I'm not like super efficiently cycling and stuff. Who cares if someone grabs a can or two. I will sacrifice efficiency for minimal babysitting.
Captain Dingles
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2016-06-08 17:14:53 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Kettrina Malice wrote:
Feldspar being the best.



Let's mine some Veldspar



Don't you mean 'Feldspar'?



Not if you want to get sued!

At first i didn't like the glasses but then i realized it makes you sound even snarkier. ;)
Kettrina Malice
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2016-06-08 17:21:55 UTC
Lugues Slive wrote:
There is something off in your math.

From the link, mineral prices are;

Trit - 6.04
Pyerite - 9.61
Iso - 97.30

Now ignoring refine rate because you state they are the same;

Veld - 42.5 trit/m3 * 6.04 = 250.66 isk/m3
Omber - 13.33 trit * 6.04 + 1.67 pyerite * 9.61 + 1.42 iso * 97.30 = 234.856 isk/m3

Now of course your local market may be different.

Edit...

Considering you are consistently mining omber you are most likely in gallente or minmatar space. Both of these regions also have plag, which is currently the highest value high sec ore.


But trying to get back on topic, I am trying to understand why Veldspar is the best, and not just because a website said so, or someone did math on per m3. I understand the processing per m3, the cycles though, I don't see myself mining the same m3 per cycle on different ore. So there is still another part to this equation.

So I guess just answer this for me then please and I can do the rest. Are the mining yields per cycle supposed to be on average the same, because I assume they are ranges per cycle.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2016-06-08 17:28:08 UTC
Kettrina Malice wrote:
Lugues Slive wrote:
There is something off in your math.

From the link, mineral prices are;

Trit - 6.04
Pyerite - 9.61
Iso - 97.30

Now ignoring refine rate because you state they are the same;

Veld - 42.5 trit/m3 * 6.04 = 250.66 isk/m3
Omber - 13.33 trit * 6.04 + 1.67 pyerite * 9.61 + 1.42 iso * 97.30 = 234.856 isk/m3

Now of course your local market may be different.

Edit...

Considering you are consistently mining omber you are most likely in gallente or minmatar space. Both of these regions also have plag, which is currently the highest value high sec ore.


But trying to get back on topic, I am trying to understand why Veldspar is the best, and not just because a website said so, or someone did math on per m3. I understand the processing per m3, the cycles though, I don't see myself mining the same m3 per cycle on different ore. So there is still another part to this equation.

So I guess just answer this for me then please and I can do the rest. Are the mining yields per cycle supposed to be on average the same, because I assume they are ranges per cycle.


Your m3 per cycle shouldn't change, as long as everything else remains equal. What are you using to mine with?

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Lugues Slive
Diamond Light Industries
#28 - 2016-06-08 17:31:19 UTC
Kettrina Malice wrote:

I mean I don't know what to tell you. It's straight off of that website, it has Veld at 148.51/m3. I'm not sure what market data it's pulling but I will agree it doesn't all math up.


So I never actually use that site for anything but grabbing market values of mins for my own spreadsheet. For a sanity check I created a profile and dropped in your info. I can tell you that something in that site is screwed up.

In high sec you should have (with the listed Jita prices)

Plag-209.63
Pyro-196.06
Kern-194.83
Veld-178.07
Scord-177.72
Omber-166.61
Lugues Slive
Diamond Light Industries
#29 - 2016-06-08 17:36:25 UTC
The better question is, who is telling you veld is the best? It is the most common and one of the fastest to train for in terms of crystals and refine rate and in the grand scheme of things, only barely the best source of trit, but beyond that it's pretty average for high sec.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2016-06-08 17:37:53 UTC
Lugues Slive wrote:
Kettrina Malice wrote:

I mean I don't know what to tell you. It's straight off of that website, it has Veld at 148.51/m3. I'm not sure what market data it's pulling but I will agree it doesn't all math up.


So I never actually use that site for anything but grabbing market values of mins for my own spreadsheet. For a sanity check I created a profile and dropped in your info. I can tell you that something in that site is screwed up.

In high sec you should have (with the listed Jita prices)

Plag-209.63
Pyro-196.06
Kern-194.83
Veld-178.07
Scord-177.72
Omber-166.61


It depends on the profile you "create". If you type in something common, like Mining, it will load a previously used profile, which may have custom prices set. I usually put in the date time to make sure I get new data.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Kettrina Malice
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2016-06-08 18:02:06 UTC
That makes a lot of sense....wow. The website designers could have just given you a temporary session ID or something and used that as your profile. But to just create a profile that ANYONE can load and change, kind of weird.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#32 - 2016-06-08 18:49:18 UTC
Buying PLEX for real money and selling for ISK will always have the best ISK/hour. I mean, really...who wants to work in a video game?!

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#33 - 2016-06-09 01:16:24 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Buying PLEX for real money and selling for ISK will always have the best ISK/hour. I mean, really...who wants to work in a video game?!

Now that PLEX has taken a big dive, I'm not so sure that's true any more.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#34 - 2016-06-09 02:06:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
Kettrina Malice wrote:
Lugues Slive wrote:
There is something off in your math.

From the link, mineral prices are;

Trit - 6.04
Pyerite - 9.61
Iso - 97.30

Now ignoring refine rate because you state they are the same;

Veld - 42.5 trit/m3 * 6.04 = 250.66 isk/m3
Omber - 13.33 trit * 6.04 + 1.67 pyerite * 9.61 + 1.42 iso * 97.30 = 234.856 isk/m3

Now of course your local market may be different.

Edit...

Considering you are consistently mining omber you are most likely in gallente or minmatar space. Both of these regions also have plag, which is currently the highest value high sec ore.


But trying to get back on topic, I am trying to understand why Veldspar is the best, and not just because a website said so, or someone did math on per m3. I understand the processing per m3, the cycles though, I don't see myself mining the same m3 per cycle on different ore. So there is still another part to this equation.

So I guess just answer this for me then please and I can do the rest. Are the mining yields per cycle supposed to be on average the same, because I assume they are ranges per cycle.

Ore profit depends on your skills and setup. Cele only gives you the raw values.

Use the mining tab in eve IPH in my signature and compare multiple options at once. I do the math for you. Make sure you update prices first.

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Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2016-06-09 05:29:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Coralas
Kettrina Malice wrote:
Lugues Slive wrote:
There is something off in your math.

From the link, mineral prices are;

Trit - 6.04
Pyerite - 9.61
Iso - 97.30

Now ignoring refine rate because you state they are the same;

Veld - 42.5 trit/m3 * 6.04 = 250.66 isk/m3
Omber - 13.33 trit * 6.04 + 1.67 pyerite * 9.61 + 1.42 iso * 97.30 = 234.856 isk/m3

Now of course your local market may be different.

Edit...

Considering you are consistently mining omber you are most likely in gallente or minmatar space. Both of these regions also have plag, which is currently the highest value high sec ore.


But trying to get back on topic, I am trying to understand why Veldspar is the best, and not just because a website said so, or someone did math on per m3. I understand the processing per m3, the cycles though, I don't see myself mining the same m3 per cycle on different ore. So there is still another part to this equation.

So I guess just answer this for me then please and I can do the rest. Are the mining yields per cycle supposed to be on average the same, because I assume they are ranges per cycle.


- The size of a single unit of ore in m3 is different for each ore, so you will get different unit numbers in your hold and different unit numbers per cycle, but if the roid is large enough, the m3 will be the reliably the same per cycle. If the roid is smaller than 1 cycle, you'll get whatever was left. You can shorten the cycle if you know how much was left and start on the next roid. Usually best to shoot a different roid with each miner if you don't have a scanner fitted.

- the minerals contained for each unit of ore is all different, which is why we need cerlestes or a calculator to untangle the value.

- Cerlestes has live pricing, and its probably better at maths than you are. If your pricing is a lot worse than cerlestes you are selling in the wrong place.

- because the m3 /cycle is the same, I personally just set cerlestes to a jet can (27,500m3), since it takes same amount of time to fill a can with omber as it does plag, I've got an idea how long that is, and plag is worth 8.2m a can when I looked and omber 6.4. Another size people might set cerlestes to is 1m3, or the size of their barges ore hold is another.

- mining plag, I know a stationless dead end (went through there looking for sigs yesterday it now has a citadel that might help you even more), that has pretty much purely +10% roids that is ~4-5 jumps from dodixie, and those belts are not cleared every day, so you should get lots of large roids (roids grow at some or all downtimes to a max size over time). Since you have a freighter, you don't have a critical need to minimize your haul distance.

- lastly, plain omber and plain kernite used to have spot prices at certain storyline mission stations as a hand in that may exceed normal pricing by a wide margin - that probably still works, I just haven't run any missions in a few years.
Cerlestes
Veldspar Trading Company.
Veldspar Trading Alliance.
#36 - 2016-06-20 19:50:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Cerlestes
Elenahina wrote:

It depends on the profile you "create". If you type in something common, like Mining, it will load a previously used profile, which may have custom prices set. I usually put in the date time to make sure I get new data.


Kettrina Malice wrote:
That makes a lot of sense....wow. The website designers could have just given you a temporary session ID or something and used that as your profile. But to just create a profile that ANYONE can load and change, kind of weird.


It's not perfect for sure. But I'd have never imagined that people actually have problems with it Lol

Just use your character name for your profile and the problems are gone. It's implemented the way it is to allow people to easily share profiles. Hence no temp sessions or full user accounts.

To give y'all a bit of perspective: I've created the current version of the page within two days back in 2010 and have since upgraded it multiple times with smaller patches. I've been talking about overhauling it for years, but as I'm a full-time software engineer now, I've totally lost the passion in programming as a hobby. It would take me a week (40hrs) to overhaul the page completely and make it kickass, but I just can't motivate myself to do it. Sad I've even thought about stopping the site alltogether, but seeing that still around 1000 people use it 3-4 times a day (on average), I've kept it going. Maybe I'll plan it throughly and then code it down during my summer vacation. Let's see - no promises :)
Oliver Ward
Doomheim
#37 - 2016-06-20 20:20:16 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore

Just click to order by ISK.

Oh, wow. Scordite took a hit. It wasn't that long ago (or doesn't feel like that long ago) that it was the king of HS ores by a fair margin.
Resnar Ash-carrier
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2016-06-28 00:49:15 UTC
If that can help you : https://eveiph.github.io/
Rosov Aulmais
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2016-06-28 01:12:18 UTC
However, Kernite can be better if you are in a non-Amarr hi-sec because a lvl4 storyline mission requires 8000 kernite, and those kernite only spawn in anomalies If you are not in Amarr space. Back in Curse you don't even get kernite in anomalies, and kernite price goes up to 1200isk
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#40 - 2016-06-28 02:05:02 UTC
I just mine belts...the whole thing.

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