Crime & Punishment

I was actually only out of deadly for a week or so, as alts where switch around between several different corps.

*popcorn*

you hisec 'merc' types take yourselves way too seriously.

I met a Mercenary once. An honest to God, Soldier Of Fortune. Former South African Army type.
He was in his 70s enjoying a quiet beverage in my 'local when I lived in the Illawarra.
After he completely flattened four young football punks who were mouthing off and being rather rude to the barmaid, he sits around waiting for the cops to show up. Cops arrive, see who it was and ask him very politely to come to the station and make a statement whenever he felt it convenient.
Meanwhile, four young football punks with three broken legs and two busted arms between them are getting loaded into ambulances.

He sits back down at the bar, turns to me and asks: Could you kill a man for fun?
Me: Not for fun, no I don't think so.
Him: Could you kill a man for money?
Me: It'd want to be a hell of a lot of money, but possibly.....
Him: You'd make a very good mercenary.

No-one in this thread is an actual 'mercenary'. You're a pack of whiny carebears.

"If somebody isn't hating you, your not doing it well enough"


Oh and,

I'm still trying to wrap my head around why CODE, an organization where ganking is their thing, would use a wardec? I know they have hunters, or had in the past. Why not just kill the guy who hurt their feelings?

Or do they gank so much and so easily they need to project something more harsh? And that's the best they can come up with? Kick this guy from corp or else... or else we kill you! Um thanks for the warning?

Ladies and Gentlemen, remain calm. All is well.

This unfortunate spell of RL is predicted to pass swiftly.

Please remain seated with your tray tables up and your belts firmly fastened.

In the event of a highly unlikely but almost certainly fatal water landing, please ensure that you keep your mouths closed to avoid possible salt ingestion.

It is really funny to see again and again that so many carebares cannot understand people would do something for fun and not for profit. Losing isk is nothing bad, you know? Making isk just for the sake of it and never intending to spend (i.e. lose) it is pointless in many peoples eyes. And ganking now and than really is fun... you should try it, I bet CODE would be willing to give you a free catalyst for joining them on a gank or twe :-)

Well in which case why was baltec1 whining that it was unprofitable to gank mining ships in a thread on General Discussion, seriously that was what he was whining about and wanting CCP to change all the mining ships tanks so it was profitable to gank them. It was for me utterly hilarious so we kept poking him with a stick to keep him posting...

As for ganking I ganked a ganker scouts Cheetah in Kino two days ago, who was incompetent, what makes it funny is that since that time he has not logged in, lmao...

What is a carebear? I keep hearing this term branded around and it has such wide meaning in Eve that even people who blow ships up get called a carebear. Can someone from the war dec or ganking side please define what a carebear actually is.

Black Pedro, there is much in what you said that I can agree with, I had written a long post about what I was hoping for with the new structures but in the end decided not to post it because of the hostility, but your post has inspired me to go ahead with it: I am glad I saved it.


One of your questions was whether you should keep doing it or not, well I guess it really depends on the new structures, currently you war dec someone who has a POS, they just pull it down before the war starts, the question is whether CCP will make it like the new citadels which is 7 days to pull them down. A lot of people that use small towers are one man corps that they dispose of if war decc'ed and they will be royally screwed by this if they can not be pulled down within 24 hours.

Also they will have less capable defences then a Medium Citadel, this now gets to a choice, if CCP make it so they cannot be taken down in a timely fashion those one man corps have four choices, 1. Decide that without the POS they cannot compete and leave the game. 2. That they just do it in stations and try to pass the cost on with everyone else. 3. Put them up and accept the loss of it if they get war decc'ed. 4. Start to develop a real corp with the ability to defend themselves.

The Watch List changes enable people to go away from the beaten path and create more meaningful corps and alliances in hisec if they can get out of the current rut in terms of thinking. But there may be many who take option 1. or 2. or even 3. However if over time real hisec corps and alliances start to develop then you might see things changing because they have stuff in space that they need to defend and a reason to fight.

Which is why at the same time CCP has to setup something that is at risk for the war deccers, I know that in 0.0 CCP intend that the Observatory Structure will enable local for the defenders, that is a good move, though roaming gang players will cry a lot over this, for the mercs in hisec the use of a Observation structure that gives watch list reports for the constellation it is in will enable the war decc'd entities to mess with the war deccers, but will give the information that they need to hunt.

Target selection for you will be key, you will need to work out your targets before you go after them.

I hope that those players in hisec can change their attitude, I have told people that the Citadel is a great force multiplier for a fleet, but its helpless on its own. The defeatist attitude of most hisec people is difficult to deal with, but once you have had a taste of people like Vendetta and BAW you sort of think meh. Early on my corp got war decc'ed by someone like you, I was on holiday, so one of the new guys was moving all his stuff in a Hulk, lol, after that the lads camped the war deccer into a station for the rest of the war dec. They had some fun with it, got some kills and lost a couple of ships, we ended up on top.

When I was in sov 0.0, before the Tier 3 BC's, the Cynabal was a major turn off for me, it would come in then kite the hell out of you and blap the tackle, warping out and coming back in, etc., after the Tornado came in we just blapped it from distance, so they were no longer annoying, and to this day I treasure some VOLTA player who came in with a Cynabal and a Tengu on a corp mates drake and I used two falcons on him, he started whining in local like a good one about two falcons, and I replied to him, so speaks a man in GTFO ships.

You have to adapt, what I said about the reasons for the decline in hisec are my opinions having spoken to a lot of people in hisec, the AG players tend to be a bit more willing, but often they are doing things and can't break off to get involved, just double and triple that inertia on the players that don't even do AG stuff and you will get the picture.

You can call them carebears and rage at them all you like, but they are not interested in playing you game at this point and they don't have to, come the new structures then things might change.

I for one hope that CCP have one that can be pulled down within the 24 hours, but I want the yield to be less, because benefits must go to those that can defend it, but they must not be locked into something unwinable, otherwise they will quit the game. It is a difficult balancing act that CCP have to pull here. But don't forget that a lot of null sec players have their production in hisec and use NPC corps and one man corps and those people are not going to fight anyway. In my Employment history you will find a corp called Fors Fortis, that was a indy corp run by a 0.0 player, he was in Razor when I joined it And he would do anything to keep his head down and not have wars, he was doing his PvP in 0.0.

I hope that this helps, because even though I get told I am a whining no content care bear, I actually like this content, my driver is merely to have a chance at it, so if you expect people like me to rush off happily to be yet another kill mail for someone who has covered all the bases, think again. Most war deccers work on that basis, why should I be any different to them, but I am of course more easily defined as a carebear while they are mercs with carebear attitudes, and I find that type of reaction by players immensely funny, but also sad, because if you want a fun hisec you have to accept that it has not just been ruined by what you call carebears.

Thanks for that, so: "Philosophically, they often cite unbalanced combat systems" This is where I could by an extremist be defined as a carebear because I look for game balance, but that is rather a massive catch all I have to say, so if I say that bumping as it is in Eve needs a better balance or that mining ships had to have choices so I could mine in something that did not have the tank of a wet paper bag made me a carebear, strange logic. The rest of it definitely does not apply to me, at least in my opinion. To be blunt as I partake of PvP I find people who call me a carebear a bit quaint in the head...

As for this - I think most people classify you as a carebear because you are the literal definition of someone who is "condemning PVP players" and you "question the basic legitimacy of PVP" within high-sec. You also do not limit yourself to questioning broken mechanics - you have in this very thread been very active in "citing unbalanced combat systems, overpowered corps, and ganking as reasons to prefer less aggressive play." The second half of that sentence - using it as an excuse to prefer avoiding combat - that is important.

Carebear is not a *specific* term however, it is a generic/generalized description of a wide variety of players. I will grant you however that we do tend to over-use it relative to the literal dictionary definition linked above - it is much easier to generalize people than to try to individually classify all of them