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Tessa Tol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-06-05 11:40:17 UTC
Hi!

Yesterday I just lost an expensive Tengu against s single ship while leaving a station. Not funny for a noob. In the meanwhile I figured out was my mistake: I should have set a perfect insta warp bookmark. And I should have used the invulnerability time after docking more properly.

First question: I there a timer visible which shows the gate cloak and undock invulnerability count down in the eve client?

I will use a Tengu with covert ops cloaking device II and an interdinction nullifier to fulfill missions in low sec for the Duvolle Laboratories Corp until I have a standing of 5 to this corp. Then their R&D agents will start producing RPs for me which can be sold when transformed into datacores. To gether with 6 PIs in low sec this should give to me an decent income w/o spending too much time for this. In the meanwhile my trading skill should be high enough to produce further income via trading.

With respect to the security missions and transporting stuff from the PI planets in low sec How would you fit a Tengu and a BR?
Are they the best choices for those tasks?
How effective are jamming devices to reduce the chance for being discovered while being uncloaked?

As mention above I lost the Tengu when leaving the Station. I could not initiate warp. So I assume he scrambled me.
Does the Tengu has a natural Warp core strength and how would warp core stabilizer help in a 1-1 PvP Situation to prevent the other from warp scrambling my ship.

I do not want to encounter PvE atm. I want to avoid and escape them and fulfill my PvE missions from a superior position.

What are is your advice?

Thanks in advance

Tessa Tol

AKA

gtoeroe

AKA

Gabor Törö, Brunswick, Germany

P.S.: Are there any players from Brunswick, Germany? We could go for a beer, a smoke, a steak or anything else and chatter about EVE...




Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#2 - 2016-06-05 12:43:44 UTC
Flying an expensive ship in lawless space as a new player is dangerous and unnecessary given your stated intentions.

The fastest way to get standing with Duvolle Labs is run Level 3 distribution missions for Brens Devalon in Scuelazyns in Everyshore. There is a Duvolle Storyline agent next door in Carirgnottin. I trained 4 characters to use Duvolle level 4 research agents that way and never got a mission to low security space.

You do not need interdiction nullification in lowsec - bubbles are only found in nullsec. Blockade runners are reasonably safe in lowsec because of the covert cloak but an experienced gate camp will still have a chance to catch you. You can fit a Blockade Runner to align and warp quickly or you can fit for capacity - not both at the same time which means a lot of trips to haul PI. Or you can join a nullsec corp and ship your PI to highsec using a jump freighter service - which is what I do. You can either create an ALT or use a jump clone to travel back and forth.

Note that you'll also need relevant science skills at level 4 to make effective use of the research agents and you'll earn perhaps 25 datacores/month from a level 4 agent - double that if you run the missions. I currently collect my datacores once every 6 months or so.





Tessa Tol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-06-05 13:50:51 UTC
Do Little wrote:
Flying an expensive ship in lawless space as a new player is dangerous and unnecessary given your stated intentions.

The fastest way to get standing with Duvolle Labs is run Level 3 distribution missions for Brens Devalon in Scuelazyns in Everyshore. There is a Duvolle Storyline agent next door in Carirgnottin. I trained 4 characters to use Duvolle level 4 research agents that way and never got a mission to low security space.

You do not need interdiction nullification in lowsec - bubbles are only found in nullsec. Blockade runners are reasonably safe in lowsec because of the covert cloak but an experienced gate camp will still have a chance to catch you. You can fit a Blockade Runner to align and warp quickly or you can fit for capacity - not both at the same time which means a lot of trips to haul PI. Or you can join a nullsec corp and ship your PI to highsec using a jump freighter service - which is what I do. You can either create an ALT or use a jump clone to travel back and forth.

Note that you'll also need relevant science skills at level 4 to make effective use of the research agents and you'll earn perhaps 25 datacores/month from a level 4 agent - double that if you run the missions. I currently collect my datacores once every 6 months or so.







Many Thanks.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#4 - 2016-06-05 15:31:42 UTC
Tessa Tol wrote:
Hi!

Yesterday I just lost an expensive Tengu against s single ship while leaving a station. Not funny for a noob. In the meanwhile I figured out was my mistake: I should have set a perfect insta warp bookmark. And I should have used the invulnerability time after docking more properly.


Your mistake was flying the tengu.

Whenever you fly a ship, you have to assume you will lose it THAT DAY, or maybe even as you undock. Especially if you are in lawless space.

Expensive is really a reference based on your current assets/income. If you think of a ship as expensive, that means you shouldn't fly it. One day when you don't think a Tengu is expensive, then it is ok to fly it.

If you are grinding faction, level 1 missions are best. They are generally smaller encounters, so they can be completed faster, so you can get storyline missions very quickly.

Fly a frigate.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#5 - 2016-06-05 16:32:22 UTC
I know that this is NCQ&A, but the hubris is palpable



I guess the many shield boosts weren't that much help in the end What?

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2016-06-05 17:30:14 UTC
Alright... I'll clean this mess up a bit...

*rolls up sleeves*

Tessa Tol wrote:
Yesterday I just lost an expensive Tengu against s single ship while leaving a station. Not funny for a noob.

It is a little funny. You were warned beforehand that there were risks.

Regardless, have a little humor. Losing ships is a normal part of the game. View it as if you are losing your virginity again. That first time will shock you and stay with you for the rest of your life (for better or worse). Blink

Tessa Tol wrote:
I there a timer visible which shows the gate cloak and undock invulnerability count down in the eve client?

Gate cloak has a blue timer in the top-left-side of the screen.

I do not know of any visible timer for undocking... but I do know that it is 30 seconds.
With some practice, that is MORE than enough time to load the environment, see what is happening, and make a decision.

Tessa Tol wrote:
With respect to the security missions and transporting stuff from the PI planets in low sec How would you fit a Tengu and a BR?

You only need two modules to travel safely through low-sec the majority of the time: a Covert-Ops Cloak and a Microwarpdrive.

The rest of the Blockade Runner's fit can be whatever you want it to be... however, keep in mind that the ship is designed to avoid being caught at all. If you are caught, you WILL die very quickly.


With the Tengu... I would suggest taking a step back and use a Caracal for a little while.
Both ships use similar tactics and weapons, however the Tengu can tank and put out more damage. The Caracal is MUCH, MUCH cheaper and will attract less attention.

Tessa Tol wrote:
How effective are jamming devices to reduce the chance for being discovered while being uncloaked?

There is only one device that can hide you when you are uncloaked; a Mobile Scan Inhibitor

Pros:
+ It will prevent anyone from seeing you on scan
+ Hostile people think it is a trap

Cons:
- it is 22 million per unit
- one time use only
- It is easier to probe down
- Hostile people know that players doing PvE use that device


If you are referring to ECM modules... those can only jam one player at a time (on field). And it is based on Random Number Generation.


Tessa Tol wrote:
I will use a Tengu with covert ops cloaking device II and an interdinction nullifier to fulfill missions in low sec

...

As mention above I lost the Tengu when leaving the Station. I could not initiate warp. So I assume he scrambled me.
Does the Tengu has a natural Warp core strength and how would warp core stabilizer help in a 1-1 PvP Situation to prevent the other from warp scrambling my ship.

...


I do not want to encounter PvP atm. I want to avoid and escape them and fulfill my PvE missions from a superior position.

You do not need the Interdiction Nullifier.

That subsystem only works against Warp Disruption Bubbles in 0.0 space. There are no bubbles in 0.4 to 0.1 space.

The Tengu does not have any built-in protection against Warp Disruptors or Warp Scramblers.


You can fit Warp Core Stabilizers, but it will reduce your targeting range and speed... which will make you less efficient at killing things.

Moreover, 1 Warp Core Stabilizer will only nullify one Warp Disruptor. You will need 2 Warp Core Stabilizers to nullify a Warp Scrambler. And Warp Core Stabilizers are useless against an "Infinite Point" from a Heavy Interdictor.


The only way to be "safer" is to...

- not draw attention to yourself (expensive ships will draw attention)
- be faster and stay at range when doing the mission
- have bookmarks everywhere
- make friends with others
- kill other players (it discourages them)


Unfortunately, you cannot truly avoid PvP in low-sec. People who live in low-sec are there to hunt other players.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#7 - 2016-06-05 23:02:13 UTC
Eve isn't like other games. Being in a better ship doesn't mean faceroll wins.
On the other hand, if you know what you are doing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRl-hFzntMA

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Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#8 - 2016-06-06 04:46:54 UTC
I had a look at the area you died in. Its a terrible area for a new player. several pirate corps/ alliances are active in that area as are a few null alliances/corps. Your likely going to lose ships often if you hang out in that area no matter what you fly or how you fit it.

And honestly there is nothing in lowsec worth losing ships often for unless you are pvping. If you want to make good isk, just join a newbro friendly null alliance and make bank in null like 80% of eve's player base. Its far easier and you lose far less ships.

Or go broke trying to do missions and PI in low sec for mc donalds wages.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#9 - 2016-06-06 10:57:08 UTC
tengu is like a massive content creator in lowsec, everyone wants to kill the tengus Pirate

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-06-06 11:35:59 UTC
Why is everyone giving this advice without even looking at the killmail?

He was killed on undock instantly by a insta-locking carrier.

1. This is a broken as **** mechanic and not something you'd expect a new player to even understand, let alone even let him have some kind of chance at counterplay.

2. Yes an instant undock bookmark would have helped you, if you frequent that station a lot it's a good idea to make one.

3. A Blockade runner is almost invincible in low sec as there are no bubbles to catch you, just make sure you fit enough buffer so a smartbombing gang cannot instant kill you on a gate.

4. Best way to avoid PvP in low sec is to fit your tengu with a cloak and have a depot in your cargo to refit to combat once you're in position. Keep watching dscan for combat probes and cloak up/move on if they are persistent.
Tessa Tol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-06-07 16:26:16 UTC
Wow!

I haven't expected so many replies. Thank you very much.

Have learned a lot here. Let's see if it has a future Impact on the density of kill mails about be.Roll


Tessa Tol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-06-07 16:27:30 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Why is everyone giving this advice without even looking at the killmail?

He was killed on undock instantly by a insta-locking carrier.

1. This is a broken as **** mechanic and not something you'd expect a new player to even understand, let alone even let him have some kind of chance at counterplay.

2. Yes an instant undock bookmark would have helped you, if you frequent that station a lot it's a good idea to make one.

3. A Blockade runner is almost invincible in low sec as there are no bubbles to catch you, just make sure you fit enough buffer so a smartbombing gang cannot instant kill you on a gate.

4. Best way to avoid PvP in low sec is to fit your tengu with a cloak and have a depot in your cargo to refit to combat once you're in position. Keep watching dscan for combat probes and cloak up/move on if they are persistent.


Thanks

What is "insta-locking"?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#13 - 2016-06-07 17:42:14 UTC
A ship that can target lock and fire before the defending player has time to react.

Any ship can be made to "insta-lock." Including some capital ships.
Your best defense against such ships is to plan ahead by making bookmarks 150+km in front of the station undock point.


And responding to the guy above about how "broken" insta-locking carriers are on the undock point or somesuch...

If it was't a carrier it would be an artillery-fit Tornado (or two). Mission running Tengus (and most mission running ships in general) are not known for their copious amounts of EHP.

Newbie or not, the guy is in low-sec (willingly too!). Whatever tricks or mechanics one does not know will be quickly learned the hard way. And that is a good thing because regardless of success or failure, people will come out of low-sec smarter and more vigilant.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#14 - 2016-06-07 17:47:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Insta-locking is any ship with boosts or some mods that lower the lock time to under 1 second. EVE uses a 1 second tick. So if the lock time vs. your ship is less than 1 second, they effectively insta-lock you.

Insta-locking ships are often accomplished by some combination of leadership, mods, rigs, boosters, implants and being in a ship with a naturally fast locktime.

There is however nothing to support Tsukino's accusation that the nidhoggur in your km was an insta-lock carrier. You weren't using an insta-warp, so there is no reason to assume the Carrier instalocked you. Regardless, insta-locking ships are very common in pvp. It doesn't matter it were a carrier or an ishkur if they were pvp fit and you were pve fit, then you will lose.

Stop flying Tengus for now. People will come from 10 jumps away just to get on the km if one of their friends spots you.

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