Wormholes

Every time something new gets added to the game, people rush in to build and destroy them. Eventually citadels will be as common as POS are currently and nobody is going to go out of their way to kill yours unless you've pissed then off enough. CCP are willing to dedicate the time to get citadels right. They are fixing bugs, adding new features and fixing balance-issue all the time.

That doesn't mean that things will be the same though. I think CCP's idea is that if you are using capitals, you need to put something worthy in space to keep them safe.

I'll be the judge of what's Un.reasonable here.

People/Groups go on the test server.... and ...you know.. run tests like a fully fit fortizar against a subcap fleet. and also test the citadels force multiplier effects with defense fleet. Results have been disappointing for the cost of the citadel.

Fortizars (and all citadels) would improve significantly if they..

- Changed the anchor time. And made it come online fully fitted.
- made the citadels subcap missiles apply the same dps as a large POS (with gunners) does.
- Gave the citadel enough capacitor so it could run its jams / other ewar for prolonged periods


On a positive note.

The clone bay and custom vunerability timers are good.

Your assumptions are wrong. A sitter won’t cut it for practical reasons.

Imagine the switching procedure during an escalating fight. I would not want to extract two accounts from a fight in a critical moment to do a tedious switch from a sitter to a character that can actually fly a cap. No, you need to use a fully trained character as sitter if you plan to use capitals for anything else but killing sleepers. That is a significant difference.

So you'd rather spend 2 bill then lose your capitals when people start popping your astrahaus because you decided to store diamonds in the space equivalent of an outhouse.

Couldn't it be that only big and strong organizations put Fortizars on Tranq so those citadels just get never attacked?

**** yes, punish me for being ******** enough to store my caps in the outhouse. Here I'll even bend over for you. Just don't make me ******* train sitter alts cause that stupid gameplay.

Example
You are dual boxing two guardians on your two accounts in a brutal battle on an incoming K162. Your opponent starts to log in more and more accounts and your FC requests that you bring a FAX so you don’t get overwhelmed.

In the simple case (docking) you warp the guardian (which is also the FAX toon) to your citadel, maybe wait for aggression timer, dock, grab one of these corp FAXes and warp back to battle. Done.

The same maneuver (get a cap on the field) looks like this if you use a sitter: Now you need to extract both of your guardians from the battle. In any small scale fight, this will get your fleet murdered. Your guardian pilot that can fly the FAX warps to a citadel, drops the guardian and gets to the log-in spot of the cap sitter. The second guardian (the sitter account) also needs to dock in a citadel and log off. You cannot simply log him off in space with timers. You log him off and log in the sitter. Once the sitter has landed on the log-in spot he ejects. The character that can actually fly the FAX takes the seat and onlines the T2 triage module and other stuff the sitter could not use and then warps back to the battle.

As I said before and explained again here a sitter is not a “solution” and I don’t think we need to discuss this any further. Agree?

For a lot of the older people getting a fully trained cap pilot as a sitter is no problem but five years ago this would have been a huge problem for my corp. We are not discussing 1st world problems here, Jack. This is about entry barriers and I don’t think we need them. Caps never been more awesome and we would be hypocrites if we asked for an environment that made it any harder to field them.

well, that I can certainly agree with...

if you cant figure out how to correctly juggle a whole TWO accounts... then i guess I can't really help you. here's a pro tip though, try NOT dual boxing guardians.

realistically it's irrelevant in your scenario anyway since if you're warping 2 guardians out of a fight youre losing and need a fax to get you out of, your fleet will be dead before it gets there anyway because you didnt have it on standby correctly and your fleet now has no reps. good work.

you should probably unsub then