Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This isn't really an idea about fixing any particular thing. MJD now has area of effect application with the command destroyers. I think it would be reasonable to add an option for some area of effect disruption to MJD effects.

Adding the anti-mjd effect only to the Surgical Warp Disrupt Probe seems like a good fit. For those who don't know because it hardly ever sees use; there is a probe which has half the diameter of the standard Warp Disrupt Probe and 50% more flight time. If an anti-mjd effect does get added to the smaller probe I think it could be reasonable to reduce its flight time to make it the same time as the standard probe.

-SD

It would not effect MWD and would not be usable in Lowsec; which are two very important ways it would not be like a scram.

Play and counter-play... its what Eve is about.

Seems fairly reasonable, though you might edit the original post to make it more clear that it would only stop MJDs and not MWDs.

Not sure if it's needed, but it's certainly worth discussing.

@ Cade
It may not be "needed" but the game doesn't need to be completely broken to request a useful tool.

@ Saelyth
Yes that is an option. It also means -1 mid slot for entire sections of the fleet and you will have trouble using MWD.

There are many types of fleets and gangs. Giving useful alternatives is good.

Adding anti-mjd to a bubble means it probably would get used to keep friendly sections of the fleet in place. It could be useful in some situations. But as was mentioned earlier it would lead to a nice bombing target and also just simply means you may often be bubbling your own fleet which has its own obvious drawbacks as well.

I think it is funny how everyone in the thread seems to have immediately thought of using it on your own friendly fleet. The reason I thought of it in the first place is I am transitioning back into low class WH space and considering what are my options if an enemy command destroyer comes through a WH in the middle of a small gang fight. We may not have the dps to clear it before it cycles, and mid-slots are dear in a small gang. Having another tool would be helpful. It is ok if some of the gangs I used to run no longer work. But I do think it is preferable if the meta did not narrow too much because there are only a few viable options to deal with this one particular threat.

I would also like to point out that this may actually be used offensively as well, to keep sections of a BS or BC fleet/gang in place, or even to drop on a ratting BS. It would be another type of significant decision a dictor pilot needs to constantly be thinking about; which type he will keep loaded, based on what targets he is likely to be landing on.

Would this work as a module that could be put on command destroyers?

I can't say if breaking fleets up was a design goal of the command destroyer. If it was I doubt it will be successful. I have already seen logi incorporate scrams into their chain in a large fleet. For a small gang I think a counter to getting separated by a command destroyer would be to ball up to make it hard to jump one ship without getting them all.

Being a good bombing target is not a solution, it is an option, and a threat in some cases. No solution is or should be effective for everyone in every situation. For a smaller gang I imagine parking your own gang in a bubble would carry some risk, perhaps more than for a larger fleet.

I think adding anti-mjd effect to a small bubble would give a useful option that would not always work for everyone, as it should be.

... forum acting strange for me sorry for double post...

I really hate text based pvp.

Dictors can be killed. Sure they can bring more dictors, but how many are you willing to bring to cover a single type of threat from a handful of enemy command destroyers? If they want to bring enough dictors to cover a fleet from the MJFG threat how many will they need if you also account for the enemy trying to remove them? Those are pilots that could have been doing something else. Also, if your fleet is moving then you get limited value out of these small bubbles.

Moving a section of the enemy fleet 100km against their will is powerful enough that it can require some more effort to achieve without making it useless. Dictors aren't known for their high survival rates. I think it is reasonable that you may have to clear a few before the MJFG will do what you want.

If the small bubble did get this anti-mjd effect I would still plan on flying command destroyers and asking for them in fleets.

edit to add:

Also moving the enemy fleet is not the only thing the MJFG can do. It can also move a friendly fleet, which by itself is enough reason to keep bringing them on fleets.