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I think they need that strong of a bonus to be usable in a fleet setting. The problem is that due to other design decisions carriers aren't fleet ships anyway, thus the Thanatos and Nidhoggur are the obvious choices.

It won't work.
First of all, fighters are too squishy to hang around, after mwd-ing (with mwd on) and wait for missile ability to activate.
It would kill fleet fights.
Second, it would not fix the instalock gatecamp problem, which is the very reason why they need to be nerfed.
Fighters have 12.5km range on missiles (t1 firbolgs), and you can boost that easily with omnidirectionals with optimal script, because the application is near perfect and you don't need precision stuff.
It is very easy to cover a regular gate with the fighter wings staying at 0km, on the gate model.


I'm afraid you are right.
CCP cares only for raw subscription #'s and not for balance.

I've got 4 accounts, 2 of them are close to maxed carrier pilots, and i regret having paid my accounts untill next February (2 have a few months left on subscription).
Beyond logging in for my dailies, i haven't logged in for much the past few weeks, and i've only done the dailies the past few days.
Having quit before, i know this is how it starts, i'll take a look at Overwatch.

PS: Considering he complexity of EVE, and how long it takes one to catch up once you have been gone for a while, i honestly doubt i'll be back from this quit.

... if you are afraid of a carrier camp fit AB and not MWD takes 3 salvos to kill a T1 frig using an AB

if you are in a small gang bring ECM

lol what if you fit the mwd but get hit by a nado?

why are carriers OP but svips aren't?

because this is a new person that slapped them in the face. You can get used to being slapped in the face by the same person even come to enjoy it but when the quit kid in the corner you don't think much about comes up and slaps you he's a dangerous sociopath. particularly when the only real memory you have about him is him playing with himself in the corner with a bunch of red crosses.

you don't even need to be in a well prepared small gang

there are so so many groups out there with public chat chs

all you need to do is

"there is a carrier in X camping Y gate if anyone wants to pop it (insert zkill link of system and any screens you managed to capture)"

the number of ppl out there willing to take a risk of a trap for the sake of a cap kill is incredible

I have lived through many Svipul gatecamps.
The trick is to have the 1st mwd cycle an overloaded one, and to align in a direction as far away as possible from them.
280mm Svipul has 14-25km range for damage (the first being optimal, the 2nd optimal + falloff).
Full repp fit frigs, will borderline live through it. Shield buffer fit (slasher/firetail .... even raptor) just shrug it off and move on. :P
2 good Svipul pilots with synchronized fits, i won't survive that in a decent shield buffer frig.
But this doesn't happen that often (just avoid Stain :P ).


The key here is 'prepared'.
I know how to prepare a gatecamp, it hasn't changed that much since we did it with full max boosted Lachesis with rf point in low-sec, i know what a gatecamp can do and what it cannot do.
It doesn't take much to have a good gatecamp prepared.
But you still need ppl, plural.
In some cases with maxed out fits, OGB's, and maybe a slightly pimped out HIC.

I keep saying 'chance', and ppl keep hearing 'i-win button'.
'i-win' button is boring, chance means that if i am a good pilot, with good reactions and good judgements, i have a chance of getting out.


2k scan res is very easy to get. Beyond that it doesn't help you that much unless you can get 3500 through other means.


I never said gang, i go alone.


Your example is faulty.
A ceptor can just warp out of a bubble, and a travel ceptor can do this even better.
You cannot fit a ceptor for both combat and travel.
And nobody is asking for bubble immunity.

What i am asking is for the chance to make it back to the gate, or to warp off from dictor bubble when i'm in a freaking t1 frig.
Not guarantee, chance .... big difference.

Also, when you lose a t1 frig in null roaming solo, the problem is not the isk loss, which is quite frankly .... pathetic, 13-15m isk.
The problem is the fact that you have to go 30+ jumps again to get another, to die without any .... fun.

IF CCP WISHES AND THE LARGE ALLIANCES AND CORPS DEMAND IT, IT SHALL HAPPEN. WHO GIVES A TWO SH*** A*** ABOUT THE SMAL GANG PVP CORPS OR PLAYERS.
DROP CARRIERS ON EVERYTHING, SHOOT STUFF AT THE SAFTY OF A CITADEL, SHOOT STUFF AT THE SAFETY OF A POS..

Some feedback on carriers if CCP is still reading this:


1. Why do the capital neuts need to be so subpar at hitting anything below capital size? A standard 400M battleship has 220GJ capped every 48 seconds....

A standard heavy neut will cap any ship at 600GJ every 24 seconds, which works out at 1200GJ for an equivalent 48 seconds. That is over 5X better when using against a battleship! And it is a joke to even consider using it on anything below 400m.

It doesn't need to be this bad and should be on parity with the other neuts when using against other ships which are not capital class.

I don't like that it uses signature radius in the first place as no other cap warfare module calculates anything using sig radius. But if you are going to go with it then its sig resolution should be more like 2000m as opposed to 8000m.


2. The flex hardeners need to be better. The reason is that they promote skilful piloting and good gameplay. It is a good module in terms of making capital piloting more fun, so why make it so niche that they are going to be barely used over an energized membrane or invuln.


3. Heavy warp disruptor and scrambler (particularly the disruptor) need to give a greater range bonus. This is a heavy capital module, so make it feel like a capital module! Currently I can get greater range out of a faction disruptor or scram. The extra point bonus is nice but in the majority of cases is going to be useless. At least they won't gimp you though unlike the capital neuts.


4. Armour buffer fits seems to be a lot worse than shield fits. Especially considering that you are forgoing DDAs. Slave implants are required for parity with shield fits. I know there is going to be some slave equivalent implants for shields coming in the future which will widen this gap further. Why not increase the armour bonus from the 2500mm plates.


5. Now we have no triage module buffing active tanking to crazy levels, crystal implants should work with capital shield boosters and an armour equivalent should also be released for active armour fits.


So there is my opinion on the changes so far. The capital modules really should have had their own individual threads as they need a hell of a lot of work still.

I also think the networked sensor array needs a good look at although will need more testing before I can give a definitive opinion. From initial impressions though it needs to give more risk / reward type gameplay as currently it gives quite a small benefit (although in edge cases the fast lock can be overpowering) for very little risk.

They should work on any ship. There is no reason why a module costing 250M and using 45x more PG should be inferior.


They need a higher resist bonus. Hardly anyone is using them at the moment for good reason.


See point 1. If I am not fighting super carriers or titan (ie in the majority of cases) the extra WCS is useless.


I was thinking about this being useful mainly for dreads as active tanking a carrier is inferior to buffer tanking (although with crystals there may be a few edge cases in which active tanking a carrier becomes viable)

I haven't messed around with FAUX yet though so admittedly this could break some things in that respect. But for dreads and carriers they should work.



Missed opportunity. They should make it a bit more interesting. Disallowing warp and perhaps increasing resist bonus or buffing some aspect of fighters would promote more risk / rewards type gameplay.