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L0WK3Yx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-06-05 07:52:35 UTC
Returning to eve (again) hopefully I'll stay around longer this time. Looking to start up a station trading alt to fund pvp etc.

How viable is this now after the nerf to broker/tax fees? Does my alt need max standings and skills to achieve similar profit to pre patch levels? Are station traders eventually eventually going to reside in citadels?

I did quite a bit of station trading in the past and I hope I can still get back into it and make decent profits.

Thanks in advance for any tips.
Lalika
Tulip Factory
#2 - 2016-06-05 10:19:29 UTC
No standings required at all. Accounting and Broker Relations should be at V. Station trading has moved to citadels. You will not be able to compete effectively with citadel-based station traders from a station, particularly in high-volume low-margin stuff that is the bread and butter of most station traders.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#3 - 2016-06-05 10:26:28 UTC
Offshoring is the new thing, get your 0%-0.1% broker fee on the buy side, and sell it in the hub at the normal rate.

Decent profits are very much there still.

I wrote a thing about offshoring here which kind of explains it a bit https://www.themittani.com/features/offshoring-tax-avoidance-comes-new-eden

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L0WK3Yx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-06-05 11:15:34 UTC
Nice guide on offshoring, exactly what I was looking for. Cheers.
Cista2
EVE Museum
#5 - 2016-06-05 11:34:08 UTC
Lalika wrote:
Station trading has moved to citadels.

More truthful would be to say that 1-2 % of buy orders are now in citadels.

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Scarlett LaBlanc
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-06-05 15:57:49 UTC
Cista2 wrote:
Lalika wrote:
Station trading has moved to citadels.

More truthful would be to say that 1-2 % of buy orders are now in citadels.


And everyone else is flushing ISK down the drain
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#7 - 2016-06-05 16:21:15 UTC
Cista2 wrote:
Lalika wrote:
Station trading has moved to citadels.

More truthful would be to say that 1-2 % of buy orders are now in citadels.



That's why trading is more profitable than it used to be.

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Plleasure Hub
Municorn
#8 - 2016-06-05 18:46:18 UTC
I have certainly jumped onto the offshoring bandwagon. Though, I can't wait for CCP to complete aspects of citadels to truly bring them in line with NPC stations. For example, it is annoying how I am unable to target a citadel while create a new remote buy order. (If someone knows how to do this, I would so appreciate the knowledge).

Without courier contracts working for citadels either, it will be hard to see a large migration of sell orders to the new structures. But once we are able to purchase goods and materials more cheaply from citadels (due to lower fees for the sellers) and courier them out without getting off our lazy arsenals, I think we might glimpse some of the mythical activity of people actually moving some of their trading away from the expensive NPC hubs. Personally, I wouldn't think twice about buying billions in raw mats at a time from citadels, if I could easily courier them to my factory.

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DeODokktor
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
#9 - 2016-06-05 20:54:21 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Cista2 wrote:
Lalika wrote:
Station trading has moved to citadels.

More truthful would be to say that 1-2 % of buy orders are now in citadels.



That's why trading is more profitable than it used to be.



CCP Increased Tax and Broker fees.
So I am not sure it is more profitable.
If anything, it is probably more confusing and a pain in the back side now as those players will now try to compete on prices, but the non-citadel players will just find it impossible to lower their price.

Personal contracts are the way to go now, 10,000 isk cost 4tw.

Use a WTT order to display the product and suggest people convo/mail you, and then place the item up for them directly.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#10 - 2016-06-06 14:50:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhivre
DeODokktor wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Cista2 wrote:
Lalika wrote:
Station trading has moved to citadels.

More truthful would be to say that 1-2 % of buy orders are now in citadels.



That's why trading is more profitable than it used to be.



CCP Increased Tax and Broker fees.
So I am not sure it is more profitable.
If anything, it is probably more confusing and a pain in the back side now as those players will now try to compete on prices, but the non-citadel players will just find it impossible to lower their price.

Personal contracts are the way to go now, 10,000 isk cost 4tw.

Use a WTT order to display the product and suggest people convo/mail you, and then place the item up for them directly.



Its not more profitable?

100 isk broker fees make it fairly profitable

For new players its more profitable than its ever been. No standings needed to compete with 10/10 people, and only a few levels of broker fees or accounting needed to get lower than 10/10 players who stay in the NPC stations.

Min for a 10/10 standings trader is 2% each way + 1% sales tax, for a person with 0/0 and 0 skills, it 3% and 2%, so, from a citadel they already match the 10/10 standings person.

Contracts are somewhat limited in comparison to orders, even if just in the number you can have active at once

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Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
#11 - 2016-06-06 18:57:36 UTC
A lot of traders don't seem to have adapted. They are still selling and putting up their orders in the hubs but the difference is very close to the taxes+broker fee cost.
In some instance it is even lower that that, so it is more convenient to sell to buy orders than than trying to sell your stuff trough sell orders.
I am not speaking of guys selling a few units of materials but of large orders that will stay there for a time.
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-06-06 20:59:31 UTC
Shayla Etherodyne wrote:
A lot of traders don't seem to have adapted. They are still selling and putting up their orders in the hubs but the difference is very close to the taxes+broker fee cost.
In some instance it is even lower that that, so it is more convenient to sell to buy orders than than trying to sell your stuff trough sell orders.
I am not speaking of guys selling a few units of materials but of large orders that will stay there for a time.


This is probably more due to an inability to set a citadel as a destination or contract point. At least it was like this, might have changed since I was last in. Also might be a hesitancy to go to new hub and the possibly if it getting blow up being a pain.