EVE New Citizens Q&A

I'm new to the game. I'm a Dust vet and really liking this game so far. I've always loved space exploration and this games versatility has made me want to become a regular. I'm hanging out in Amarr space for now trying things out. I guess I'd like to get into mining for now but I'd really like to run escort sometimes when I get my skill up. I'd also like the explanation part too. Kinda wonder if there's anything useful that can be made from it. I'll end up doing it anyways but if there's something helpful I can do while sight seeing that would be great too. Anyways any advice would be great. I'm hoping to make EVE my gaming home for awhile.

Thanks, I got ideas but I do need to find a Corp and pvp is something I want to do. I'm not thinking I'm going to be good at it but it's a game and if I get wrecked then it is what it is. Learn from it and move forward.

Mining is one of the lower paying professions. Its a lot better than it was and they are doing more upgrades to it. But you can make more isk blowing stuff up. The industry side goes with mining. In high sec, the profit margins are very low as there is a lot of competition and a lot of people who are max skilled in industry. If you are going to get into mining and industry, i highly recommend a null( 0.0) space alliance as a goal. The profits are better there.

Running sites(exploration) is quite profitable. Again you have to get out of high sec to make good isk at it. Less competition and better loot.

Combat PVE is very profitable and you use the same skills you use for pvp. However, it requires a much larger skill investment than other "careers" to do well.

PVP isnt really profitable unless you do mercing and ganking. Most just do it for fun and not profit.

Market trading can be extremely profitable but also risky. It requires a good isk investment. Usually people who are good at math and finances do well at it.

PI ( planetary interaction) is a good passive income for a new player. It doesnt require a lot of micromanaging and provides a steady income source with little skill investment needed. I recommend it for new players who can use every isk they can get.

I do a mix of everything, moreso because i get bored easily, rather than to make isk.

Most other games' PvP is set up like a football game with an even number of players on both sides with specific numbers in specific roles and strict rules to keep things "fair".

Eve PvP does not have any of that. There are no fair fights in this game and no 3 v 3 arena matches or 40 man BGs or 10 man skirmishes or whatever those other games have.

The way that this works out is that if you have 10 guys going out on a roam an 11th is always welcome. One more guy is one more guy regardless of how "good" or "bad" he is. Also there are no easy ways to come up with a clear determination of "goodness" and "badness". Some people use KB stats but if you are constantly jumping into fights where you are out numbered and doing well and holding your own the KBs for you won't look good even though you might be very good at PvP.

My main point here is that this game is about fun. Just fleet up with people and have fun. You will learn as you go and get better. In the mean time as long as you are a fun person they'll be happy to have you along regardless of your character age or experience in game.

It's common for people to feel compelled to reach a certain benchmark in SP before acting. I'd advise you to beware of this mentality, as it will get in your way, without much benefit. This game's skill system reward the generalist, and punishes the specialist. Remember that.

If you have barely enough SP to fly a ship, you're actually not that far away in potency from someone specialized for that ship. Therefore, spending time to reach a certain threshold can very easily become a waste of time. This is further compounded by the power of personal knowledge, relative to mechanical potency. What you learn first hand is much more useful than another few ranks that gives you 5% in whatever.

What I'm saying is: Get out there as soon as you can. Don't let SP get in your way. SP is not as useful as you might think. Maybe there is a skill that you absolutely do need, but once you've got it, don't wait any longer.

Killboards are only useful for one thing, intel on others. How often they pvp, what do they fly, how do they fit it, what size groups do they fly in, etc. If you look at my alliance KB, i have a 7 to 1 kill ratio. That doesnt mean im awesome at pvp. Many of my kills come from fleet fights and killing structures. If you look on any KB im on it will have different stats for me. Even Zkillboard isnt accurate. I have kills that dont show on Zkillboard.

A wardeccer, pirate, or ganker may have an extremely "green" KB. But they are shooting things likes MTU, freighters, miners, and ratter/mission runners. They always have superior firepower in these situations, so as long as the target doesnt run away its an easy kill.

So dont get hung up on KBs. Be intelligent and use them for intel gathering and thats it.



A slicer setup which my main and an alt can fly( The alt actually has level 4 amarr frig and can use t2 weapons but for this example he is using t1 since i focused trained him for a purpose.)

-Slicer with low skill( all meta mods): 140dps, 3505 EHP, 905 m/s speed, 1m 8 sec cap
-Same slicer high skilled alt: 162 dps,3877 EHP, 1092 m/s, 1m 35s cap, gains in PG, weapon tracking and range as well, gains enough CPU to free a rig slot.
-Slicer t2 fitted, same mod layout for my main: 226dps, 4044 EHP, 1135m/s, 1 min 42s cap, my main is also able to rep ~25% more dps using the exact same repper.

On average fit for fit, my main has 10-30% gains in DPS, EHP, speed, tracking, cap management etc. So being specialized does make a vital difference.

I do agree that specializing is boring though and generalist have more fun in game overall( and it really pays off later like it did on my main).

OP: Despite what others tell you, pvp when you feel ready to do it. There is no reason you cannot start today if you have the isk to cover losses. And there is no reason to start today unless you want too. Really its about when do you want to start sinking isk into pvp. If you are struggling with money, you may want to wait and focus on a income stream first. If money is not a big issue for you, then its up to you. Only you will know when its the right time for you to start.

I could not agree with this more. I'd give it 10 thumbs up if I could. Also you should not need to worry too much about the isk either. There are plenty of null sec corps that are willing to give free ships to newbros or have SRPs ( Ship Replacement Policies ). In those situations if you fit them cheaply and insure them you can actually make isk with each lost ship.

first every thing he said is true


now on to your comparison...it's terrible

the proper emotional reaction to someone pulling off a quad jump in checkers against you is.

1. a moment of bewilderment and disbalife
2. questioning why you are associating with some one who is taking a game of checkers serious enough to notice a quad jump. to the point that you wander if you did not slip into another reality.
3 a wave of pity and disappointment for the man sitting across from you as you begin to ponder what he must be going through in his home life.


is he a bad person? probably not just a poor sad shell of a man


then suddenly "I blitzkreged you!"

and you realize he's fine
just drunk

People who follow this advice tend to quit eve with greater frequency.

Go get blown up. Don't hide in HS, and don't mine as a primary income unless you like mining and are ready to commit that profession. Mining is a SP intensive profession. If you have an interest in PVP, none of the mining skills contribute to that goal.

Missioning isn't the only way to make isk using pvp (ship fighting) skills. There is also ratting. If you a total newbie, then it doesn't take much isk to refit a cheap ship and go get killed again. Exploration skills contribute to pvp and can make good isk eventually.

To people interested in pvp I recommend missioning, ratting, or exploration as a first profession. This is not an exclusive list of professions you can do with pvp, but at least they do not detract from pvp goal. Going mining is what people who play the, "When I get XX SP THEN I'll get into Pvp" game. And that game makes a lot of players quit.