Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The defending abilities given to ships should mirror the attacking abilities. For example currently an attacking player in a small ship can gain 3 points of warp scram in a single medium slot with absolutely no penalties. However in order for a defending player to gain 3 points of stab to defend against that scram takes 3 low slots, reduces his targeting range to only 21%, and makes it take almost 5 times as long to target anybody. This in turn makes it pretty much impossible to use stabs to defend against scrams in anything except industrial ships.

Do the attacking ships really need advantages like this in order to win battles? Yes I know that suggestions like this will be hated by all offense players. After all who wants to volunteer to give up an unfair advantage. But what kind of victory is it, when they require advantages like this in order to "win"?

So I propose:
- Making the stabs take the same type slot as the scrams, i.e. either both types take a medium slot, or both types take a low slot.
- Making varieties of stabs that have the same values as the scrams, for approximately the same cost. I.e. 1, 2, & 3 point varieties.
- Making the penalties for using the stab module the same as the penalties of using the scram module. I.e. either removing the penalties from the stabs, or adding the same penalties to the scrams.

What I propose should not prevent tackle ships from being able to tackle other ships. Surely if they want to they can fit more than a single scram onto their ship. It will just level the playing field a little between the tackle ships and the ships that they are tackling.

If you are fitting stabs why are you bothered about targeting range and sig res? You dont need those attributes if you are trying to run away. And those penalties were added so that sniping ships couldn't use them and just warp away whenever anyone got close to them.

Its not an unfair advantage. Scrams have a very short range and with local and d-scan, its quite hard to catch someone whos paying attention. People use stabs in FW to make lots of isk for low cost and whilst afk/alt tabbed. Stabs dont need a buff.

What you can do:
- For the same cost of the scram you are talking about you could buy a RLML caracal and wtfpwn his small ship without stabs...

- If you are trying to run away, use a ship with lots of low slots.

- Fly a venture, DST or use the cloak/MWD trick.

- Pay attention

He'll ask for an infi-stab high slot...

Oh we have one , bastion .

One without an anchor...

The very fact that I mentioned targetting should tell you that this is not about carebears trying to do nothing but run away. And if you really believed that it was only about carebears running away, then you wouldn't be so determined to maintain a taregetting disadvantage. So you are telling on yourself.


And those that get close to the sniping ships would have the option of using the scrams. Again, this is about levelling the field. It is not about giving one group an unfair advantage, nor an unfair disadvantage.

The other comments weren't worth answering.

Sorry OP... but if you are fitting Warp Core Stabilizers, you are not looking for a fight. You are looking to run away from a fight.



Fun Faction: Pre-nerf Warp Core Stabilizers worked exactly the way you want them to work.

Then battleships started fitting them and sniping other ships.
You know battleships right? The ships with 6 to 8 low slots? Yeeaaaaaaaaah. They used to load up on WCS, snipe at range, then warp away as soon as a frigate grabbed them.

It was unreasonably hard to catch anything.

So the DEVs nerfed it.
And looking at recent changes to many mechanics... the trend is to FORCE people to commit to an engagement rather than skirt around the outside and run when things look bad.

So if you want to fight (like, actually FIGHT) then fit your ship accordingly, use tactics to your advantage, and COMMIT to a fight.

And it sounds like he is just using warp core stabs as an example.

So if you're trying to fight, stop fitting gtfo mods and fit a combat ship. When it comes to the tackle/evade competition there is more to it than who's spent more on their mods. What you're proposing doesn't level the playing field as such because you're ignoring the other tools a player has for breaking tackle or evading.

while experience will generally help some one avoid posting a failure of an idea It is mych better to have brand new players spew out what ever comes to mind. If its bad no harm dune but who knows they may come up with something great coming to the game with fresh eyes