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Was the orbital bombardment of Caldari Prime necessary?
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Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#1 - 2016-06-02 00:13:17 UTC
No. It wasn't.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#2 - 2016-06-02 00:17:40 UTC
Well, we once again agree.

It's almost as if, once you peel back that we're on different sides of a century-long animosity, Caldari Liberalism and Gallente Whatever-you-are are actually compatible in general ideological outlook. We just disagree on governance.

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Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#3 - 2016-06-02 00:19:21 UTC
The scary thing is that the same is often true of Caldari "Patriotism" and Gallente Ultranationalism. Ah well.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#4 - 2016-06-02 00:29:02 UTC
You've seen, I trust, how I spar with Kim nearly as much as I've pilloried your compatriots for draping themselves in flags? Ideological puritanism -- especially when caught up in national or racial terms -- is a bane upon productive society.

Again, despite ourselves, we agree.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#5 - 2016-06-02 03:25:49 UTC
OH! I must add: the word you seek is Provism. Caldari Patriots are not much unlike yourself. Provists, however, are indeed very much like U-Nats.

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Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-06-02 03:30:22 UTC
I've said this many times, Gallenteans and Caldari are not as different as people are led to believe, and our systems of beliefs are not quite so different among the median in each society. It is only at the extremes that things become so bitter, and those extremists have been leading the Federation and State into ruin for a decade.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#7 - 2016-06-02 05:28:03 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
OH! I must add: the word you seek is Provism. Caldari Patriots are not much unlike yourself. Provists, however, are indeed very much like U-Nats.


Its a fair distinction. I put the quotation marks around "Patriotism" in an effort to limit my comparison to those who wrap their oppression of others in a patriotic mantle the way the U-Nats did. I will say that the Provists didn't come from nowhere, nor are their ilk entirely gone.
Anataine Deva
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-06-02 06:36:24 UTC
No it wasn't.

Makoto Priano wrote:
It's almost as if, once you peel back that we're on different sides of a century-long animosity, Caldari Liberalism and Gallente Whatever-you-are are actually compatible in general ideological outlook. We just disagree on governance.
Jason Galente wrote:
I've said this many times, Gallenteans and Caldari are not as different as people are led to believe, and our systems of beliefs are not quite so different among the median in each society. It is only at the extremes that things become so bitter, and those extremists have been leading the Federation and State into ruin for a decade.
F*** governance, let us be friends instead. You don't wanna miss my Pillow Fortizar ;)

Give The BIG Lottery a try (it's conform with the EULA) and me your Fedos!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-06-02 11:36:09 UTC
But it did happen and it has shown everyone who gallente really are.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Shiela Kwor
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-06-02 11:39:39 UTC
Was Kim's post, "Was the destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor necessary?" necessary?

No, but it did happen, and it has shown everybody who Diana Kim really is. Not like it came as a surprise.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#11 - 2016-06-02 11:48:10 UTC
Hello, I clean space from infestations of gallente occupants and oppressors.

Nice to meet you and have a nice jam.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Slayer Liberator
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-06-02 12:28:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Slayer Liberator
Diana Kim wrote:
Hello, I clean space from infestations of gallente occupants and oppressors.

Nice to meet you and have a nice jam.

I will clean space of your genocidal "patriotism" with hot Gallente FREEDOM!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-06-02 14:40:49 UTC
Oh, gallentean genocidists blame others who did never commited genocide in genocide? How cute... NOT.

Also, I don't know how you imagining cleaning something with Gallentean CHAOS, maybe wiping your own *censored* with it? But as I said in another discussion, how about you meet me in space so I could laugh looking how you die like all other gallentean swines.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#14 - 2016-06-02 15:31:01 UTC
Answer to the OP: No.

Do we feel bad about it? Only until Diana Kim opens her stupid mouth and makes us regret not catching whatever Fedo ******* idiot of an ancestor capable of spawning the likes of her in the bombardment....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2016-06-02 16:25:43 UTC
It was not necessary, but it was inevitable.

Small, provist and ultrapatriotic minds created the path within both sides of the conflict.

Weak people, with a modicum of of power, lead to atrocities like this. And history tends to run in circles.



"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Natheniel
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#16 - 2016-06-02 17:20:30 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:


Weak people, with a modicum of of power, lead to atrocities like this. And history tends to run in circles.




Couldn't have said it better myself.

"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Xadiran
Moira.
#17 - 2016-06-02 17:25:15 UTC
The first 8 posts of this thread were so refreshing to see...and then it got Kim'd.

Of course it wasn't necessary. What the U-Nats did was a terrible mistake, and one that we're all still paying for.

I think a lot of us would like to see the militia abolished, proper borders re-established in Black Rise and Placid, and real trade resume between the Federation and the State.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#18 - 2016-06-02 18:36:53 UTC
Honestly this is a topic I have very little interest in when it is in the context of creating controversy. I didn't really read the other one. I love history as a subject, and long conversations about what lessons are to be learned from the past are among my favorite things.

What we so often see instead is history weaponized into a rhetorical club. No nuance. No introspection. Just bile and angst. Its a shame, and worse... a waste of time.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#19 - 2016-06-02 18:48:45 UTC
The bombardment of Caldari Prime was necessary, to produce the desired situation that the Jovians wished to observe.

By utilising their infiltrator agents within both governments, they created the swells of nationalistic feeling that ultimately led to the war.

Then they poured fuel onto the flames, to escalate the conflict, ultimately resulting in the bombardment of Caldari Prime, and the evacuation of the Caldari people.

The aim of this project, was to study a large-scale stellar conflict between differing technological cultures, something that the Jovians did not have a lot of data on.

By selectively disseminating various technologies, e.g. the capsule as given to the Caldari, the Jovians were able to perpetuate the conflict, and study it in more detail.

And that, is why the Jove Empire must be destroyed.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#20 - 2016-06-02 18:56:16 UTC
*Citation needed.
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