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Most of the merc corps in the game have their own little blue donut

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Imperator Kane
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2016-05-16 14:11:13 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
BAW TeamSpeak is a colorful place.


I can verify that. Although a very wonderful colorful place.

Hire BAW to kill your mercs.

Cannibal Kane was my Test Character.
Natural CloneKiller
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#22 - 2016-05-19 17:14:07 UTC
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Vendetta Merc wardecced our little corp to try to evict us from our C5 wormhole.

It didn't work.

:)

Lol. We were not hired to come take your toys. If we were you would not exist in that space anymore.
Lisbeth Riraille
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2016-05-31 23:42:29 UTC
What's a blue donut?
Wanda Fayne
#24 - 2016-06-01 00:51:32 UTC
Lisbeth Riraille wrote:
What's a blue donut?


Blue donut

"your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic" -Lan Wang-

  • - "hub humping station gamey neutral logi warspam wankery" -Ralph King-Griffin-
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#25 - 2016-06-01 02:45:21 UTC
Lisbeth Riraille wrote:
What's a blue donut?



Not sure if you're serious or not. I'll bite.

Blue donut originated in null. SOV null surrounds empire, so it's donut shaped. The major null groups went tall corporate and found profits went up if there was no real fighting over SOV, so they all made each other blue (not always official blue buddies, but side agreements and what not). So the donut (SOV null) was all blue to itself.

This made SOV boring. Folks quit logging in... well, they would log in for a few interesting ping outs here and there. Eve began to die (of boredom) from the inside out.


Someone has poorly translated SOV null going corporate and mostly ruining itself over to HS mercs not fighting. It's a poor moniker for it. Most empire mercs don't fight each other because they are very averse to risk and losses. As far as I can tell, there are no actual agreements to not fight, just a fear of losing a proteus overcoming the will to fight.

Occasionally there are a few merc slap fights here and there, and there are merc groups willing to take contracts on the other side against merc groups. Some groups are afraid of losses and for some of the merc groups, their leadership is outright afraid to throw their guys at another competent group because
1. Their guys my not show up (risk aversion on a personal level)
2. Their guys my leave because the corp/alliance has losses
3. A good number of HS mercs really don't know how to fight for reals.


Don't get me wrong. There are a lot of very experienced pilots in empire merc groups. The 'risk averse' proteus pilot camping the Amarr-Jita pipe may actually be fighting his wyvern to the bitter end on another screen/character. From what I've seen - HS mercs are a good bunch of guys/gals having fun, and you can't really get upset about that. If they are having fun - that's good.

There are a lot of alts in HS merc groups. I could see where (in some cases) the mains just don't have the time to enter a campaign to rub out a rival merc group on their alt characters.


The good news - it's a cocky mouthy group overall - eventually something big is bound to happen! Stay tuned!
Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#26 - 2016-06-01 04:37:54 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
blue donut and mercs stuff

tl:dr version:

blue donut- It became common for null alliances to form large coalitions, sometimes to the point whereit is half of eve vs the other half. Empire is always neutral( thus the donut hole).

Mercs- They like easy targets either due to a lack of ability, lack of ambition, or lack of understanding that KBs do not matter. Thus they are not thrilled about having to fight other pvpers.
/tl;dr

My take:

Blue donut - Since i first put foot in null 8 years or so ago, it has gained another tier of "management". Corp> alliance> coalition. Goons made the mega blue list popular. Other alliances( those with players with actual pvp skill) became overwhelmed by goon and friends cannon fodder and had to ban together to complete. Since then null wars are more about coalition vs coalition and almost never about alliance vs alliance.

It has at times gotten extremely boring in null. I know many people that quit because of the blue donut, some came back, some didnt. Its a necessary evil to keep space because of alliances like goons that will send an army of pawns at you. capitals also became the end game to the point where sub caps often got babysitting duty and scout duty. It made it extremely boring for sub cap pilots to the point where they wouldnt show up.

Mercs- Mercs are like a cross between null pvpers and gankers. Some likely suck at pvp and some are likely very good. Im sure they all have there reasons why they wont fight each other and im sure some will it will just cost more isk. They provide a necessary service as carebear corps usually do not have the ability and/or will to remove structures or to remove someone from space they want to "control"
gnshadowninja
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2016-06-01 08:06:52 UTC
Merc on merc is not good business, if a merc group gets a war off another merc there is a damn good reason behind it and watch the dedication to that war.
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#28 - 2016-06-01 08:15:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Bushido
gnshadowninja wrote:
Merc on merc is not good business
Sometimes it is. Look at BAW or POH. People know they will go after other mercs and it gives them a good name. But if you want mercs to go after mercs, expect the price to be high.

Risk vs reward

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#29 - 2016-06-01 09:08:52 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
gnshadowninja wrote:
Merc on merc is not good business
Sometimes it is. Look at BAW or POH. People know they will go after other mercs and it gives them a good name. But if you want mercs to go after mercs, expect the price to be high.

Risk vs reward



When was the last time a merc corp actually ended another merc corp? Sure there have been a few slap fights here and there, but no soul crushings.
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#30 - 2016-06-01 10:59:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Bushido
Serendipity Lost wrote:
When was the last time a merc corp actually ended another merc corp? Sure there have been a few slap fights here and there, but no soul crushings.
Marmites ended 'Whats Squad' and 'Logitech Blasters' while being at war with 4 merc alliances in total. It can be done, you just need to be dedicated and have players who can handle the heat. That last one is where things go bad. Marmites had many who couldn't handle the heat and they joined CD for easy hub hugging and being blue to everyone in Eve. But the funny thing is, even with just the hard core Marmites left (combined with skilled fresh blood and What Squads best corp THF), we're still owning Complainers Department in every war we ever had with them. Imagine what would happen if another merc alianxce would join that. They will disband before you can say World War Pee.

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#31 - 2016-06-02 04:05:53 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
When was the last time a merc corp actually ended another merc corp? Sure there have been a few slap fights here and there, but no soul crushings.
Marmites ended 'Whats Squad' and 'Logitech Blasters' while being at war with 4 merc alliances in total. It can be done, you just need to be dedicated and have players who can handle the heat. That last one is where things go bad. Marmites had many who couldn't handle the heat and they joined CD for easy hub hugging and being blue to everyone in Eve. But the funny thing is, even with just the hard core Marmites left (combined with skilled fresh blood and What Squads best corp THF), we're still owning Complainers Department in every war we ever had with them. Imagine what would happen if another merc alianxce would join that. They will disband before you can say World War Pee.



Logitech Blasters were horrible. They had a dec in against us and couldn't deal w/ 3 guys dual boxing. Their utter fail is what got me interested in revisiting the empire war stuff.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2016-06-02 20:42:10 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
xDaKewlGuyx wrote:
So, you get wardecced by a couple of merc corps and decide to message some dudes with ads in C&P to ask for help. Turns out most of them are blued up since they are afraid of actual competition instead of picking on highsec carebears!

Utterly shameful.


Breaking news at 11,

Human nature for cooperation wins over some dude's perception that you become big by killing everything until you're the top dog when in reality it is multiple top dogs circlejerking each other while they stomp the little guys.

Case in point: CFC, PL (Winning so hard CCP had to change sov)


The only issue I ever have with those behavior is when the same groups ***** about not being able to find fights. At least own up to the fact you blue'd or made NAP with the best target you could get if you want fights in HS. If you decide to not shoot most of the people who DO fight wars in HS, you are likely to be left with targets who won't fight but flee/disband/hide instead.
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