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Looking for mercs to evict 2 C4 holes simultaniously.

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Illyrius Fidard
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2016-05-31 20:20:23 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
Illyrius Fidard wrote:
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
Op if you want to see if MC are interested drop a message to:

The Olive1

That is where contract requests go for our services.


Based on your thread, it was "Sabre A" in the OP.

Is that no longer the case?


Sabre A is the boss, however I expect other leadership have access to The Olive1's mail API so it will get spotted and discussed sooner.


Fair enough, thank you.
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#22 - 2016-06-01 04:55:07 UTC
I might be able to do it with my guys.

Unless the hole is mine, in which case the fee will be large, but still probably not as large as what it'll cost you to get a fortizar killed using subcaps in a C4 likely to be defended with caps.

It's mine isn't it?

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Negasonic Teenage Warhead
Doomheim
#23 - 2016-06-01 06:29:42 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:

You better get used to people being smarter than you


OP listen to Dom, he knows what he's talking about. He has plenty of experience when it comes to people being smarter than him.
Ro Fenrios
Armilies Corporation
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#24 - 2016-06-01 08:33:17 UTC
I am amazed. Client anonymity?? Mercs willing to take big contracts?? No longer in C&P?
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#25 - 2016-06-01 09:18:07 UTC
Ro Fenrios wrote:
I am amazed. Client anonymity?? Mercs willing to take big contracts?? No longer in C&P?



I'm not sure empire mercs are the right folks to ask.

1. WH and empire aren't the same
2. Stomping a 100 man corp is a lot different than what the bulk of empire mercs do
3. C4 needs a route in and hole control for the duration
4. Medium citadel takes like a week total to take down w/ timers

Asking an empire merc corp to drop everything and go to a C4 for roughly a week is a pretty big ask.

Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#26 - 2016-06-01 09:50:51 UTC
Negasonic Teenage Warhead wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:

You better get used to people being smarter than you


OP listen to Dom, he knows what he's talking about. He has plenty of experience when it comes to people being smarter than him.

Ohh lookie a little butthurt holey alt

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Negasonic Teenage Warhead
Doomheim
#27 - 2016-06-01 11:16:48 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Negasonic Teenage Warhead wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:

You better get used to people being smarter than you


OP listen to Dom, he knows what he's talking about. He has plenty of experience when it comes to people being smarter than him.

Ohh lookie a little butthurt holey alt


No. Your ineptitude offends me, that's all.

Ironically most people see you as Holey's replacement.
Croire
172.0.0.1
#28 - 2016-06-01 13:52:55 UTC
Goodluck finding a Merc that'll leave trade hubs and choke points with their 10 neut Nestor alts.
Illyrius Fidard
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2016-06-01 16:36:51 UTC
I understand that this is a tough contract.

I havn't pulled any punches when it comes to giving details about how hard of a target it is. I'm looking for mercs that have experience in this sort of thing. I have already mailed Noir. regarding the contract and I hope that a couple more come out of the woodwork for it.
Ro Fenrios
Armilies Corporation
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#30 - 2016-06-01 17:19:33 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Ro Fenrios wrote:
I am amazed. Client anonymity?? Mercs willing to take big contracts?? No longer in C&P?



I'm not sure empire mercs are the right folks to ask.

1. WH and empire aren't the same
2. Stomping a 100 man corp is a lot different than what the bulk of empire mercs do
3. C4 needs a route in and hole control for the duration
4. Medium citadel takes like a week total to take down w/ timers

Asking an empire merc corp to drop everything and go to a C4 for roughly a week is a pretty big ask.



I 100% agree with what you said. My wonder was only about are there nothing but high sec mercs here in C&P?
Illyrius Fidard
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2016-06-01 18:11:07 UTC
Ro Fenrios wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Ro Fenrios wrote:
I am amazed. Client anonymity?? Mercs willing to take big contracts?? No longer in C&P?



I'm not sure empire mercs are the right folks to ask.

1. WH and empire aren't the same
2. Stomping a 100 man corp is a lot different than what the bulk of empire mercs do
3. C4 needs a route in and hole control for the duration
4. Medium citadel takes like a week total to take down w/ timers

Asking an empire merc corp to drop everything and go to a C4 for roughly a week is a pretty big ask.



I 100% agree with what you said. My wonder was only about are there nothing but high sec mercs here in C&P?


That was my thinking, was that I could reach mercs that perhaps are not small numbers hunting in highsec here.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#32 - 2016-06-02 03:57:48 UTC
Illyrius Fidard wrote:
Ro Fenrios wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Ro Fenrios wrote:
I am amazed. Client anonymity?? Mercs willing to take big contracts?? No longer in C&P?



I'm not sure empire mercs are the right folks to ask.

1. WH and empire aren't the same
2. Stomping a 100 man corp is a lot different than what the bulk of empire mercs do
3. C4 needs a route in and hole control for the duration
4. Medium citadel takes like a week total to take down w/ timers

Asking an empire merc corp to drop everything and go to a C4 for roughly a week is a pretty big ask.



I 100% agree with what you said. My wonder was only about are there nothing but high sec mercs here in C&P?


That was my thinking, was that I could reach mercs that perhaps are not small numbers hunting in highsec here.



This channel is mostly inhabited by HS mercs those idiot role players from CODE and a few others. There is the WH forum for wh stuffs. TBH most folks have gone to reddit because that's where most forum stuff migrated to.

The real bottom line is that WH evictions take a lot of time and effort to do correctly. Add in the multiple timers of citadels and drag it out from 3 days to a week and there really aren't that many groups period. The OP is asking for something that is pretty arduous. If I had the resources and the desire (I have neither) you'd be looking at 20 bil per wh to start. If they are active add another 5 bil. If they are competent add an additionsl 10 bil. So 35 bil per wh to evict a worthy opponent. I wouldn't commit my guys for a week w/out being able to pay them for it. It's a week of gameplay - sucky game play at that.
Illyrius Fidard
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2016-06-02 05:17:51 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Illyrius Fidard wrote:
Ro Fenrios wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Ro Fenrios wrote:
I am amazed. Client anonymity?? Mercs willing to take big contracts?? No longer in C&P?



I'm not sure empire mercs are the right folks to ask.

1. WH and empire aren't the same
2. Stomping a 100 man corp is a lot different than what the bulk of empire mercs do
3. C4 needs a route in and hole control for the duration
4. Medium citadel takes like a week total to take down w/ timers

Asking an empire merc corp to drop everything and go to a C4 for roughly a week is a pretty big ask.



I 100% agree with what you said. My wonder was only about are there nothing but high sec mercs here in C&P?


That was my thinking, was that I could reach mercs that perhaps are not small numbers hunting in highsec here.



This channel is mostly inhabited by HS mercs those idiot role players from CODE and a few others. There is the WH forum for wh stuffs. TBH most folks have gone to reddit because that's where most forum stuff migrated to.

The real bottom line is that WH evictions take a lot of time and effort to do correctly. Add in the multiple timers of citadels and drag it out from 3 days to a week and there really aren't that many groups period. The OP is asking for something that is pretty arduous. If I had the resources and the desire (I have neither) you'd be looking at 20 bil per wh to start. If they are active add another 5 bil. If they are competent add an additionsl 10 bil. So 35 bil per wh to evict a worthy opponent. I wouldn't commit my guys for a week w/out being able to pay them for it. It's a week of gameplay - sucky game play at that.


Too be honest, that is about what we expected to pay. around 25-30b per hole.

Like I said, I know how difficult of a contract this is, we are not taking it lightly, and we are looking for real mercenaries to handle the job.
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#34 - 2016-06-02 05:57:47 UTC
How much ankle do I have to flash before you realize that I'd do it from the inside for less?

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#35 - 2016-06-02 07:25:08 UTC
The only other problem I would have is the Chribba thing. Not him personally, but why a 3rd party?

Honestly, if you put the isk in escrow and don't pay up front - I'm smelling setup all the way. OR Some elaborately worded crap contract w/ a bunch of ifs and thens in it that could possibly lead to drama on the back end. Especially if you keep w/ using an alt on your end. Your no name alt has no reputation to uphold/throw away over this.

It's not like any half reasonable merc would take your isk and run. That would be reputation suicide. If the corp has been around and has a reputation to maintain - just pay them. They survive on their reputations.

It was quite a ways back, but I only took isk up front and dealt with real characters. I get the alt thing here, but once negotiation time comes if it's not a real character - I wouldn't bother.
Illyrius Fidard
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2016-06-02 07:32:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Illyrius Fidard
Serendipity Lost wrote:
The only other problem I would have is the Chribba thing. Not him personally, but why a 3rd party?

Honestly, if you put the isk in escrow and don't pay up front - I'm smelling setup all the way. OR Some elaborately worded crap contract w/ a bunch of ifs and thens in it that could possibly lead to drama on the back end. Especially if you keep w/ using an alt on your end. Your no name alt has no reputation to uphold/throw away over this.

It's not like any half reasonable merc would take your isk and run. That would be reputation suicide. If the corp has been around and has a reputation to maintain - just pay them. They survive on their reputations.

It was quite a ways back, but I only took isk up front and dealt with real characters. I get the alt thing here, but once negotiation time comes if it's not a real character - I wouldn't bother.


Why would having the isk held in escrow by chribba be an issue?

Im not about to wire 30b into someones hands just hoping that they pull the job off.

I dont understand how having the isk in a 3rd party, especially one as trusted as chribba, is an issue..

I also dont want any funny worded contracts.

Everything burned, all citadels dead, no ransoms paid, everything possible in the wormhole killed.

Not exactly rocket surgery.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#37 - 2016-06-02 08:32:58 UTC
Illyrius Fidard wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
The only other problem I would have is the Chribba thing. Not him personally, but why a 3rd party?

Honestly, if you put the isk in escrow and don't pay up front - I'm smelling setup all the way. OR Some elaborately worded crap contract w/ a bunch of ifs and thens in it that could possibly lead to drama on the back end. Especially if you keep w/ using an alt on your end. Your no name alt has no reputation to uphold/throw away over this.

It's not like any half reasonable merc would take your isk and run. That would be reputation suicide. If the corp has been around and has a reputation to maintain - just pay them. They survive on their reputations.

It was quite a ways back, but I only took isk up front and dealt with real characters. I get the alt thing here, but once negotiation time comes if it's not a real character - I wouldn't bother.


Why would having the isk held in escrow by chribba be an issue?

Im not about to wire 30b into someones hands just hoping that they pull the job off.

I dont understand how having the isk in a 3rd party, especially one as trusted as chribba, is an issue..

I also dont want any funny worded contracts.

Everything burned, all citadels dead, no ransoms paid, everything possible in the wormhole killed.

Not exactly rocket surgery.



I wouldn't send my guys on a week long camping trip w/out the isk in the bank. Here's the issue. You post 35 bil w/ the Chrib. I devote 7 days to burning down the system and on day 6 SYJ drops 200 tengus on me and it's a no win for me. What do me and my guys get for putting in a genuine effort on your behalf? Zero?

A lot of stuff - much of it random happens in a wh. If I'm in there working for a week and things go sideways beyond my or your control, then what? You just walk away? I'm just saying there's no way I would personally take that contract. I get it's 100% secure for you on your end, but I'd be the one putting in a weeks work for nothing. AND AGAIN - doing all this w/ a no name alt would be a no go.

I'm in no way saying you're doing it wrong - I'm saying I wouldn't take it for the above stated reasons.
Illyrius Fidard
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2016-06-02 09:02:13 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Illyrius Fidard wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
The only other problem I would have is the Chribba thing. Not him personally, but why a 3rd party?

Honestly, if you put the isk in escrow and don't pay up front - I'm smelling setup all the way. OR Some elaborately worded crap contract w/ a bunch of ifs and thens in it that could possibly lead to drama on the back end. Especially if you keep w/ using an alt on your end. Your no name alt has no reputation to uphold/throw away over this.

It's not like any half reasonable merc would take your isk and run. That would be reputation suicide. If the corp has been around and has a reputation to maintain - just pay them. They survive on their reputations.

It was quite a ways back, but I only took isk up front and dealt with real characters. I get the alt thing here, but once negotiation time comes if it's not a real character - I wouldn't bother.


Why would having the isk held in escrow by chribba be an issue?

Im not about to wire 30b into someones hands just hoping that they pull the job off.

I dont understand how having the isk in a 3rd party, especially one as trusted as chribba, is an issue..

I also dont want any funny worded contracts.

Everything burned, all citadels dead, no ransoms paid, everything possible in the wormhole killed.

Not exactly rocket surgery.



I wouldn't send my guys on a week long camping trip w/out the isk in the bank. Here's the issue. You post 35 bil w/ the Chrib. I devote 7 days to burning down the system and on day 6 SYJ drops 200 tengus on me and it's a no win for me. What do me and my guys get for putting in a genuine effort on your behalf? Zero?

A lot of stuff - much of it random happens in a wh. If I'm in there working for a week and things go sideways beyond my or your control, then what? You just walk away? I'm just saying there's no way I would personally take that contract. I get it's 100% secure for you on your end, but I'd be the one putting in a weeks work for nothing. AND AGAIN - doing all this w/ a no name alt would be a no go.

I'm in no way saying you're doing it wrong - I'm saying I wouldn't take it for the above stated reasons.


A couple of people who have contacted me have requested a portion to be paid when they begin the seige, and that makes sense.

Honestly, If people cannot deal with proper hole control and capable of dealing with a supporting force, then they likely are not the mercs I am looking for. I am paying for the job to be done, and the last thing I want to hear are excuses. Frankly, if someone comes in and kicks you out of the eviction, well thats a merc failing in his job, and you dont deserve the full value of the contract because you failed in its goal.

I dont care if you dont like it being done through an alt.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#39 - 2016-06-02 09:37:09 UTC
I'm not trying to make you like me! I'm trying to point out a few things for you to think about.

I don't really have a dog in this fight.... as far as I know anyway.
Tertharan
#40 - 2016-06-03 06:18:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tertharan
Just a random correction: Citadel reinforcement timers are shorter in wormholes than elsewhere. It wouldn't take a week to kill one, it would take 48 hours. Of course if they have multiple citadels with different reinforcement timers the total time you need to be in the hole could be longer, but 48 hours would suffice to kill one at least.
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