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Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#501 - 2016-06-01 14:22:23 UTC
Maria Daphiti wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:


I was going to address this fully, but then i remembered that the opinions of a Gallente commoner don't really matter.




I think Mr. Onzo was half-Caldari and True-Amarr? That.. amazing chin!



Caldari, yes.

Equally dubious heritage.


"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#502 - 2016-06-01 14:25:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Maria Daphiti wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:


I was going to address this fully, but then i remembered that the opinions of a Gallente commoner don't really matter.




I think Mr. Onzo was half-Caldari and True-Amarr? That.. amazing chin!



Caldari, yes.

Equally dubious heritage.



And-- you think you're going to persuade me, saying such things, Sinjin?

I'm of mixed blood, too, half of it ethnic Caldari-- Civire, the same as Utari. You're burning credit quickly.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#503 - 2016-06-01 14:26:24 UTC
Well, few have the privilege of being born True Amarr.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#504 - 2016-06-01 14:27:22 UTC
I don't have access to your inner workings, Aria. All I can tell you is what I see from outside, and I see some changes that are all too familiar. There is no need for a several thousand word post in that regard. You can dismiss it however you wish, it really is not any deep concern of mine, other than my ethical and moral duty to give fair warning.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#505 - 2016-06-01 15:08:35 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
I don't have access to your inner workings, Aria. All I can tell you is what I see from outside, and I see some changes that are all too familiar. There is no need for a several thousand word post in that regard. You can dismiss it however you wish, it really is not any deep concern of mine, other than my ethical and moral duty to give fair warning.


Eh-- somebody (who apparently still thinks I'm an Angel at heart, which makes me think that his remarks boil down to a badly-miscalibrated recruitment pitch) thought it was worth spilling a good bit of ink over, Miz.

And you didn't seem to like my short-form answer, either, so....

"Miz still thinks I'm doing the wrong thing."

Noted. Your ethical and moral duty is discharged.

More seriously, though ... thanks for worrying about me.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#506 - 2016-06-01 16:08:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Morwen Lagann
Aria Jenneth wrote:
I'm of mixed blood, too, half of it ethnic Caldari-- Civire, the same as Utari. You're burning credit quickly.

I'm surprised that you thought he still had any credit left to burn at this point, given how the whole "I know everything going on in this book without ever having done anything but glance at the cover" routine's not working out very well for him.

And mixed blood isn't something I really think people ought to be needling others about. There's quite a few people who are openly so (like myself), and for the people who like to point fingers and claim it's an awful thing... if someone were so inclined they could probably turn the tables quite easily.

It (among quite a few other things) is almost an equivalent of the playground "yeah, well, no you!" at this point.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#507 - 2016-06-01 17:43:34 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Well, few have the privilege of being born True Amarr.


Waheyhey !

I am a True Amarr !

So is Synthia by the way.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#508 - 2016-06-01 20:30:37 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
I suggest to the Minmatar arguing that Vesper is somehow 'lost to the dark' whilst she calls the Empire home, look at the alternatives. For now she is a friend-of-a-friend of the Empire, yes, but she could have been a friend to no one but a small clique of capsuleers who owe loyalty to no one. Wonderful for those she chose, but quite foul for everyone else in the cluster, yourselves included. If you wish to change her mind, engage her not as someone being manipulated by us, but as someone who has found legitimate merit in our way of life, and present your own legitimate merits so that she may consider them as the capable thinker that she is.


Lost to the dark? Spirits no. I certainly don't think that.

More a candle burning steadily in the heart of the dark. I'm just hoping she might reform some of you by virtue of her example.

Captain Jenneth seems to look deeply and ask the hard questions. I wish we had a few more like her.

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#509 - 2016-06-01 20:46:08 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Well, few have the privilege of being born True Amarr.


Waheyhey !

I am a True Amarr !

So is Synthia by the way.


Only genetically. You stop being True when you abandon the faith.
Maria Daphiti
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#510 - 2016-06-01 21:21:07 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Well, few have the privilege of being born True Amarr.


Waheyhey !

I am a True Amarr !

So is Synthia by the way.


Only genetically. You stop being True when you abandon the faith.


Yep! You become False Amarr!
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#511 - 2016-06-01 21:42:58 UTC
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Captain Jenneth seems to look deeply and ask the hard questions. I wish we had a few more like her.

Maybe that's part of why she came to us? We have a bunch of those.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#512 - 2016-06-01 21:59:36 UTC
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Lost to the dark? Spirits no. I certainly don't think that.

More a candle burning steadily in the heart of the dark. I'm just hoping she might reform some of you by virtue of her example.

Captain Jenneth seems to look deeply and ask the hard questions. I wish we had a few more like her.


I don't know what to say.

Thank you?
Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#513 - 2016-06-01 22:25:51 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Well, few have the privilege of being born True Amarr.



Privilege?

How is that a thing?

“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#514 - 2016-06-01 22:35:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Sinti Vailatti wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Well, few have the privilege of being born True Amarr.


Privilege?

How is that a thing?


Ah-- the more orthodox (Sarumite, etc.) side of the Amarr faith says that the True Amarr are "chosen" by God.

It gets a little depressing if you happen to be ... well, anyone else.

Edit:

To be clear, if I understand right it's a basic element of the faith that the Amarr are "chosen." The debate is over what's meant by "Amarr."
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#515 - 2016-06-01 23:09:59 UTC
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Captain Jenneth seems to look deeply and ask the hard questions. I wish we had a few more like her.

Maybe that's part of why she came to us? We have a bunch of those.


And so do we. And so do the Gallente. Your point is?

In the end we can't change you by force of arms any more than you can us by the same means. You need a perceptive outsider or two who can help you look at yourselves with new eyes. Perhaps your deity has given you one?

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.

Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#516 - 2016-06-02 00:34:22 UTC
First, it's not "your deity". God isn't a tribal idol that belongs to any group, especially not the Amarr: Quite the opposite is true, everything belongs to God.
Second, the point I'm making is that SFRIM has probably a higher than average number of mebers that look deeply and ask hard questions compared to other capsuleer corporations.
Third, and that might have to do with the prior point made, if you'd pay any attention you'd know that SFRIM doesn't intend nor try to change anyone by force of arms.

Luckily, with Aria Jenneth we have someone who's an attentive and perceptive observer of others, instead of someone who just sees what they want to see. It's a rare thing: Humans tend to prefer to have their biases confirmed and oftentimes go to great lengths to convince themselves that it's as they already 'knew'.

So, perhaps, you needed a much longer time than us here at SFRIM to figure out that it can be helpful to have someone who provides a new and fresh perspective. After all, we welcomed Aria Jenneth quite some time ago already. So, perhaps, probably, I'd say, you're coming with old news to me, here. And I bet: If you'd be ready to look for one day with the eyes of Aria Jenneth, you'd come to realize that a good bunch of the 'darkness' you percieve when 'looking' at the Amarr is the result of you closing your eyes to a reality that's much more complex. Maybe it'd even suffice if you actually listened to her, take her perspective into consideration (as I guess to ask you to take an Amarrian's perspective into honest consideration would be to ask a bit too much of you).

You frame all this as Aria 'joining the Amarr'. She didn't, really. She joined SFRIM. If you can't even differentiate between the 'the Amarr' and SFRIM, well... you really need some perspective, then.
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#517 - 2016-06-02 00:43:45 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Ah-- the more orthodox (Sarumite, etc.) side of the Amarr faith says that the True Amarr are "chosen" by God.

You seem to socialize with the wrong Sarumites. Sarumites are not a good example for modern (political) 'orthodoxy'. We Sarumites are in general more on the 'pragmatic' end of the spectrum.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#518 - 2016-06-02 01:02:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Ah-- the more orthodox (Sarumite, etc.) side of the Amarr faith says that the True Amarr are "chosen" by God.

You seem to socialize with the wrong Sarumites. Sarumites are not a good example for modern (political) 'orthodoxy'. We Sarumites are in general more on the 'pragmatic' end of the spectrum.


I apologize for the misunderstanding, Emerita.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#519 - 2016-06-02 15:21:23 UTC
So-- Emerita? Very respectfully....

I really didn't join the Society so much for the intellectual quality of its members. You really can find people worth talking to, and discussions worth having, wherever you go.

There's a generous handful of reasons why I did choose the Society, but the most substantial is a sort of cross between happenstance and affection. Back when I was first visiting, Lord Newelle (at the time just "Aldrith Shutaq") pointed me to the Societas after PIE decided it wasn't interested in creating a "Peregrinans" visiting scholar-type position. The fact that SFRIM was interested was a first hint that it would be a good fit, but-- really, it was Gottin's Lamp, and what it said about SFRIM's culture, that really won me over.

That, and, well, personal loyalties. The Directrix is here, so, so am I.
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#520 - 2016-06-02 16:26:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra
First, by saying "very respectfully..." nothing ever got any more respectful. Others might enjoy this deferential tone, but I can live pretty well without it. Either be respectful, then you don't need to verbalize it, or if you aren't respectful, don't say that you are.

Now, it's no coincidence that I have privileged insight on how SFRIM's culture came to be. Suffice to say, it involved a lot of looking deeply and asking hard questions. So, you might not notice it, nor might it have been a reason for joining SFRIM, but that doesn't preclude those 'intellectual qualities' from playing part in why it was recommended to you, thus why you came to SFRIM - and also why you stayed.

Furthermore, your loyalty to the Directix has some relation to who she is and thus what qualities - intellectual amongst others - she does possess. Maybe the ability to look deeply and ask hard questions is amongst those qualities of her, hmn?