Intergalactic Summit

There is no place for toying around when innocent lives are at risk.

I noticed the desperate attempts of Miss Kim, to provoke Gallenteans for a reaction which may prove her ridiculous theories right. Fortunately without much success.

Maybe I should go now, watch a holo reel and have some fun the gallentean way. One person pillow fight in my captains quartier! - Take that Miss Kim!

Come on, there's no need for that. Some of us are on your side.

Kim meanwhile is basically the dumbest thing the Winds ever allowed to live, so... y'know, maybe start by assuming that whatever Caldari are generally like, we're very different from her.

Sorry, we must be talking about different homeworlds. Ours is Caldari Prime. You know? The one that was retaken after a full-scale invasion, the ransoming of Gallente Prime, several years of tense occupation and finally the violent de-orbiting of a titan that did permanent geological damage to a spiritually significant mountain range?

That's the one we're talking about.

Oh, I don’t know the, ‘they are all like her,’ narrative helps some agendas very nicely.

Goodness knows those of us on the conservative side of Federal politics are grateful for her continual contributions.

Alot more that needs to be done Stitcher. The CEP needs to bring about the end of the Gallente zones on Caldari Prime. My organisations fund the Breakfast for children programme in the Gallente zones and we see whats going on there.

We Caldari are in danger. Gallente fascist hordes attack Caldari women and children in the their homes in the Gallente zones. The Gallente fascist hordes are planning a genocide for the Caldari in the Gallente zones on Caldari Prime. CEP needs to take action now to avert a catastrophe in the Federation controlled zones on Caldari Prime.

Horn, nobody ever suggested that reclaiming Home was going to be a smooth ride.

I'm sure you have your theories about how best to move forward, there. Me, I don't think I have enough information for an informed opinion. I'm out of the loop and I trust Ishukone and the Legion to know what they're doing.

I will advise you against flinging around the word "fascist" to describe the mobile public, though. It has a very specific meaning, referring to a form of centralized government with unlimited power where business and labor are controlled by the government and no opposition is permitted.

By definition therefore a mob of civilians cannot be fascist. Lynch mobs and rape gangs are their own separate category of terrible and condemnible thing.

It's important to understand the other side's rationale - and there is always a rationale, even if it's an awful and illogical one. Inaccurately throwing a word like "fascist" at civilian rioters gets you no closer to understanding why they're doing what they do, nor any closer to knowing under what circumstances they would stop.



It was a diplomatic outcome, sure. Not only do I agree on that score, I'm grateful for it. Truly lasting solutions should be diplomatic in nature, and usually are.

But if you think that the diplomatic process would have properly and fairly begun without the violence then I'm afraid I must consider you deluded at worst and profoundly naive at best. We tried negotiating for two hundred years prior to that point, and got nowhere.

In the end, it was violence that got the ball rolling. Don't pretend that this was all a big gesture of Federation goodwill. We had to DRAG them to the negotiating table.

This thread had such promise. Now it's racists and historical revisionists.

Diana, your first post was actually kind of sane. It seemed to be attempting to provoke a discussion in a reasonable fashion. Why did you have to ruin it by Kimming so hard?

You have a habit of making points that I can agree with only to then add some racist crap to the end. It makes it really hard to agree with any of your points or argue on your side, even when I partially agree with what you say.

Surprisingly though, you aren't the worst person in this thread. Shocking, I know.

I don't hate the Gallente, I have no reason to. I do dislike the Federation. I dislike the Federation because they've committed a number of terrible acts both recently and in the distant past, and they refuse to even accept responsibility. The Federation mistreated the Caldari until the Caldari left, they blamed the Caldari for leaving. The Federation went to war against the Caldari because the Caldari left the Federation and because of the actions of a group that the State condemned. The Federation bombed Caldari Prime in retribution for a bombing on Caldari Prime by a group that the Government of Caldari Prime condemned. The Federation forced the Caldari away from their home with an overwhelming military force because the Caldari couldn't be trusted because the Caldari left the Federation.

The Federation occupied Caldari Prime for two hundred years. This is acceptable. The Federation is not at fault as the Caldari had it coming.

Why is it that when the Federation does all of that, it's okay. But when the State retaliates Gallente everywhere start crying for peace? The Federation starts to lose, and suddenly the Caldari are just being warmongers. You Caldari just need to calm down! Innocents are suffering! War is unnecessary! Why do you hold a grudge for something that happened two hundred years ago(and lasted until very recenly)?! Why don't you Caldari ever consider peace!?

We don't consider peace because the Federation has no interest in peace. They've demonstrated that. They love war, it drives their narcissism. When they do something terrible to their foes it's just a horror of war. They had to do it. They had to break the peace and attack Caldari Prime. That Titan was going to shoot at the planet and kill innocent people if we attacked it so we attacked it to stop it from doing that which it would have done if we attacked it. We had to kill millions of people and cause further irreparable damage to a planet we should have nothing to do with because if we attacked they would have done it anyway which they didn't end up doing because we attacked it before we could attack it. Do you honestly believe that excuse? They knew it was a bluff. A bluff that came from the need to protect a planet from a considerably larger military force with minimal casualties. We knew that the Federation could easily take the planet back if they wanted to, mainly because they did it in the past.

"The Federation gave Caldari prime back! Why aren't you grateful?" Do you even listen to yourself? I'd say have some empathy but if you actually did you'd biomass yourself and I don't think suicide is ever a good solution.

The Gallente in this thread are shining examples of Federation citizens. They're scrambling for the moral high ground but seem to have forgotten that they crashed a Titan into it. It's disgusting.

I will greatly appreciate if you, Stitcher, will stop projecting your mental qualities on me. If you fail to understand basic logic it doesn't mean I can't.

Now begone and let people discuss history without your dumb trolling.

No I would not.

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Well said but I'm not anybody.