Wormholes

As an Ex-Wormholian i am curious how citadels have effected WH's?

Are there more people moving into WH's now? I imagine its a huge step up from sitting in a pos bubble.. now you can sit in a hanger and spin your ship.

I think most people who were skeptical about sharing POS with others with risk of stuff being stolen would make the plunge now.

What do you all think?

Too early to tel

It is hard to tell it is a bit soon to have a good picture.
Also don't forget the impact of the pve changes on wh-space, most people still have not adjusted to these changes.

I like citadels, it could use some more work though.
The citadel 15 minute online time is something to get used to.
But it was the same thing with onlining a pos, that also took a while to get the shield up and in that small window it could be killed also.
It is just the new thing on the block and because of that people do look out for it.
No one will be looking for that online-ing tower because of the many dead sticks.
This will diminish when they get more popular.

A bit more chances to the access list is needed.
The ability to make hangers for a group of people in a corp would be nice. And not restricted to the current number of corp hangers we can have.
So you could create a group for a person containing all his alts.
Or in null maybe for sharing stuff for a special intrest group,... .
Also the ability to right click a ship in corphanger and make it the active ship would be nice.
Or maybe the corp hanger being split into ship and item hangers?
Directors accesing personal hangers i would not want, it opens the way to easier awoxing and stealing.
Dir's and ceo's being able to see what is in there , that would be bether.

Most of the Citas were shot while onlining and not in their Timer. You can't tell that they work well, when they even didn't start to work.

But they create content.

The 24hour anchoring time makes it certain that someone will see that citadel anchoring, announce it in Wormhole PVP Channel, form up a team and destroy it.
That was not the case when anchoring/onlining a POS.




They do provide some defense vs subcaps, the problem is that most of them are attacked before even get a chance of being properly fitted. And the 15min of invulnerability described here:
https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/208289335-Citadel-Deployment-and-Unanchoring
is not how it works, as attackers often take much more time to destroy it. Their automatic repair won't kick in.

The personal hanger security for assets is good. I know two former wormholers who have re-sub'ed, because of citadels. They've been in wormhole corps where directors yielded absolute power just by quiet implicit threats to take peoples' stuff - they hated it and left. Now personal assets are untouchable by bad-apple directors, which is good.

More people returning to j-space is a positive!

Hanger functionality however, needs a big revamp to allow immediate access by all the characters owned by a player, and by trusted friends, etc. I recall CCP has promised to implement easy asset sharing in the summer release. Going with citadel mechanics, granular access lists to hangers could be a good possible mechanic to allow POS-like access to belongings.



Wormhole directors currently have a tough time to wrap their minds around the new citadel paradigm and new C5/C6 sites that replaced capital escalations of combat sites. IMHO copying the old mechanical way wormhole corps are run with POSs, and pasting it to citadels just won't work. It's a new paradigm, boys!

Now that capital escalations are gone, there is much less need to set aside assets for corp use. With the summer citadel part 2 release, different people should have access to different corporate assets on a need-only basis.



CCP > to address directors' concern of stranded assets of players who quit Eve, a number of solutions is possible. A timer can be placed on personal hangers, in the same manner there is a timer placed on personal anchored secure containers.

After a long period of account inactivity, the personal hanger could be opened up to director access. Or stranded assets could be dealt with in another manner, e.g. held in suspension, that does not bloat the loss value on the kill-mail but keeps personal assets secure.

There are many possible ways to deal with this issue other than the current directors' stagnant POS mindset of free easy loot. Get creative!

However, if the player is active but has been asked to leave the corp, directors will have to deal with players based on fairness. If not, directors will have to accept a bloated kill-mail. With the citadel's current personal hanger security model, directors will now need to work on communication skills and build trust within the community. THIS IS GOOD! No more 'your stuff is now ours, GTFO' dealings.


CCP, please DO NOT give directors access to members' personal hangers.


TL;DR:
Citadels are good for wormhole space, needs improvements promised in CCP's summer release. Directors need to wrap their mind around the new citadel paradigm and work on people skills.

Honestly how is this different from anything that happened before the citadel update? A 20-50 man fleet could also ftw a pos, if it wanted to and a medium corp that could only field a dozen defenders would be screwed regardless. The citadels havent changed that dynamic. Moreover, if ccp balanced a citadel around it being able to beat a 20-50man fleet how would a small gang ever be able to take one out?

You've assumed too much that CCP won't change asset mechanics of players who've unsubscribed or that most corp directors won't work on mutual satisfying arrangements with "departed members" to take their assets with them.

More player interaction with each other is a positive.

If **** directors act unilaterally against former members, they then deserve high-loss kill-mails IF their citadels get destroyed.

24 hr Anchoring time needs to be reduced drastically. It's not kind to small corps.

I think most WH Corps would be fine with it.