Science & Industry

Greetings all,

i have a medical condition where the slightest of exertion i take part in, i end up paying the consequences for in taking extra already extremely strong pain killers (morphine, tramadol, pregabalin) and its taking an extreme amount of clicking to be able to setup only 5 planets, per character.

i have 9 characters, so have 45 planets (9 x 5 planets per toon).

i cant drag and drop mats from on-planet facilities to the processors, even this would help limit the double clicking (Possibly Even HALVE the amount of double clicking needed) id have to do, but this is really taking its toll on my already sore fingers and hands.

i love this game, i love eve and its community i am involved in, the corp i am in wishes me to take even more responsibility in it which i am most honored to do, but its taking me a week to recover from setting up 10 planets as ive even more sore fingers and hands now, and so, having to take more pain killers which are drastically affecting my health, to the point that i needed to rest enough to be able to write this support ticket.

Its just a game, a game i love playing, as circumstances are of severe depression and so i help myself by taking part in a community based game interacting with people and my counsellor (yes, a shrink, lol) was quite impressed at the steps taken to immerse myself into a large community based game, bottom line is, i cannot walk anymore, stuck in bed 23 hours a day, 7 days a week.

So i am getting sore forearms, hands, fingers (from using a pair of crutches to get about the house with) and having to take double the pain killers i usually take - all for playing a game that i love, to pass the time, because i cannot walk and am in severe pain in my soles of feet and i need to get around the house on crutches, this is why my hands and arms are already sore.

Please could anyone view and review this and not brush it off as not needing any attention, Particularily if CCP Seagull could take a quick look at this and even try setting up a pi factory planet toon, 5 planets only, and see how gruelling it is for an "able bodied person"

i know the job you folks do at customer services cannot be an easy job pleasing the thousands of pilots and i do emphasize with you and you have my greatest respect for helping all of us in need of advice, guidance & knowledge.

Please can anyone help me to simplify this pi planetary process as its getting grueling to setup and ive even had to take many days off from not even logging into any of my toons for days, even upto a week ive not logged in bcoz im in too sore a state to do anything about it, you can check from my 1 year history that ive always logged in, daily, and im logged in for 23/7 every week, until recently.

The last Post in the forums was from 2014, 2 years ago, and nothing has changed in all that time for pi - yet we're moving in a great direction (Thanks to CCP Seagull & Team!!) but if we could please take a look at giving us a drag and drop feature, or even ability to select certain processors, press 1 buttons as a "Fill all" then your done, no tediuos double-clicking and no more sore fingers (or less sore fingers lol)

Apologies for the LONG pos, i get carried away lol

Also found out if you hold CTRL and left mouse click on a processor or any structure on planet, it makes a new link, let go of CTRL then place link - much faster than right clicking each building :)

thank you so much in advance, looking forward to your input & help,

fly safe yall & hope this post gets noticed by the top brass looking out for us little people :)

Rails

EDIT; - If this ticket can make the attenton of CCP Seagull, if would be extremely beneficial how CCP can limit these physical consequences of extra pain on an already weakened and frail body.

once i have recovered more i will try to create a forum post with this too

^^ The above was also a Support Ticket i made to CCP but not an answer or advice yet

I have set up 24 planets in the last couple of weeks, and I don't have a medical condition and thought it was awful, so I can only imagine what it is like for you.

I would go post this in the ideas forum, especially if you have some more specific out ways to do so.

An important consideration is that a PI revamp that makes PI easier to setup and manage will absolutely drive prices down on PI goods. I'm not necessarily saying this is a bad thing, but it should be kept in mind that one of the reasons PI producers collect the profits that they do is because many others are unwilling to deal with all the clicking.

I think the last time I did any PI was like 5 years ago, as I got tired of it quite quickly. However, this kind of income would probably fit quite well with my playstyle, and I know for sure that reducing the amount of tediousness would make me more likely to get back into it. Listening to friends talk about how they feel about PI would have a large impact on this.

You are right that prices will probably go down, and some greedy players might not like this. It might sometimes be a challenge for developers to not be influenced by selfish arguments from players.

I do not agree that passive income has to require some pain. But I know that many people feel that way, or that others shouldn't get anything seemingly for free. The same motivation can be seen in all kinds of places, the feeling that people have to work to deserve things. The more pain involved, the more deserved things become. Doesn't really matter if the pain makes any sense, as long as it is painful. I see this in many different areas of EVE, people that seemingly can't stand watching others enjoy playing mostly afk, seemingly getting things with minimal work. I have no problems watching such people. I'm fine with others getting stuff with minimal work. Then again, I also have more than I need for myself, and don't mind donating my surplus, which basically leads to others getting stuff with no work at all really.

PI is one of the more passive ways to play, and I do feel that there should be some work involved. And work doesn't always have to be painful btw, I feel that a reasonable amount of work that makes sense can actually feel good. And figuring out how to set things up, get an overview of all the mats involved with prices and also haul stuff seems like enough work to me. Requiring repetitive clicking as well doesn't make sense to me when the same actions could be done with simpler gestures. There are dedicated "clicker" games for that kind of thing.

Why are players that are playing the market game "greedy?" If the goal of PI is to make game income, why is it wrong to maximize that income?

You use terms like "some work involved" and "reasonable amount of work." Who shall define those terms? In my opinion, the devs have done a fine job balancing effort with reward. There are dozens of 'games' within EvE. If the effort required seems to outweigh the reward, then there are plenty of other opportunities. Or we could have a game that allows us to stare at a screen and the wallet isk gently ticks up every few seconds.

It always seems strange to me when people take the game so seriously that they demonize players for...playing the game.

KB