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Sian Neue
Tannhauser C-Beam
#1 - 2016-05-31 20:42:11 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Buldath
I have had an eve account for about 6 years, recently I decided to open another account so I have 2 accounts with 6 toons, I did this mainly as I was living in a WH at the time and thought that the PI would be great and I would be able to plex the account as well as having ISK left over to buy PVP ships and fittings for my main.

I left the WH corp with the intentions of maybe getting into industry out in high sec, I figured with 6 toons and 60 manufacturing lines I could set up a little manufacturing and make some ISK, running missions and escalations with my main But it has not really worked out that way, trying to research something that is profitable is apparently beyond me.

I am just looking for a relaxing way to play the game, nothing massively complicated just enough to make a plex a month with a little over for ships and yet I don’t seem to have the knowledge to do that, it is either a boring grind or it seems you need to have outside game knowledge or an army of alts to do it… its very frustrating, so much so I am thinking of killing off that 2nd account.

I know that this will probably be flamed to death which is fair enough, I read the forums and I see how vicious people can be with posts like this, but before I make any decisions I thought I would throw this out there and just ask if people are willing to share their ideas on interesting things to do in high sec so I can try and rediscover what I liked about this game those 6 years ago.

~Edit: Adjusted Title to better reflect OP's Post. ~ISD Buldath
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2016-05-31 20:49:22 UTC
Scanning toon + combat pilot, run the hs cobat exploration sites and ls escelations.
Scanning toon can act as a covops scout whitch i felt was important enough to buy an aditional monitor for.

Dont tell anyone els though ... Its a secret.
W33b3l
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-05-31 21:28:11 UTC  |  Edited by: W33b3l
I have a scout alt going on the other monitor or something along that lines all the time.

As for manufacturing, T2 stuff makes more money per sale then T1 by a bit with some exceptions but takes more work and time to do.

You need to look into the price history for something you are thinking about making on the market. It will give you a rough idea on
the amount sold in a given amount of time and how the prices average. Take in mind that the quantities sold dont diferentiate between buy and sell orders, just each time said items passes hands on the market. Something is bought and sold at the same time. It takes some getting used to.

You also almost have to whip out a spreadsheet and do the ROI math as well. Fiqure out how much it will cost you to make and compare that to what you should be able to sell it for. Its entirely possible to manufacture and sell at a loss if you dont pay attention and believe me I see people do it.

As for a plex a month. Manufacturing on all those alts. You would just have to find something with the right turn around speed and price for how much you can make in time. Its honestly almost half quess work because you are in competition with other people on the market as well and that skews the numbers a bit but how long it takes to sell even more.

Just have to look through the market for awhile, take your time, do aome math amd trial runs. Its kind of a pain to be honest lol.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-05-31 22:55:24 UTC
incursions is the answer you are looking for.
+100mil/hour at least (aka you need only 10 hours in a month for a plex) .

there are plenty of guides and a couple of community that run incursions in highsec open to public.
the only thing you need to do is login and catch up with them.

requirements:
- can fly a battleship (pref faction battleship) or a shield logi
that's all :)
Memphis Baas
#5 - 2016-05-31 23:34:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
That said, making a PLEX a month is not relaxing as it's a GRIND; if you relax you don't make the 1 bil required (a bit less than 1 bil nowadays).

If you want "relaxed" you pay $20 for a PLEX and sell it for your 800m and then you can be relaxed cause you have 800m to waste on ships.

MMO's typically have 2 grinds: you have to grind money and you have to grind XP to level up.

In EVE, you get the skillpoints (xp) for just wasted time waiting, so that's one grind that's eliminated. You can eliminate the money grind by selling PLEX, but instead of that you're trying to keep that grind.

You're paying 2 subscriptions; how about pay 1 subscription, cancel the other subscription, and use the money to get a PLEX each month for your primary.
Sian Neue
Tannhauser C-Beam
#6 - 2016-06-01 05:27:00 UTC
I appreciate the positive responses, thanks everyone.
Scarlett LaBlanc
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-06-01 05:39:58 UTC
I'm guessing you left WH space for high sec for more casual game play?

Wormholes are really good ISK if done correctly, but not very "casual".

High sec can be very casual, but not very good ISK.

You can make good money doing industry, but it is very research dependent, and almost requires out of game tools. It takes a lot of out of game time invested to start making enough ISK to consistently PLEX.

I think Memphis really hit on your solution.


Sian Neue
Tannhauser C-Beam
#8 - 2016-06-01 09:31:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Sian Neue
Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:
I'm guessing you left WH space for high sec for more casual game play?

Wormholes are really good ISK if done correctly, but not very "casual".

High sec can be very casual, but not very good ISK.

You can make good money doing industry, but it is very research dependent, and almost requires out of game tools. It takes a lot of out of game time invested to start making enough ISK to consistently PLEX.

I think Memphis really hit on your solution.




Yeah I think you maybe right, I liked the idea of incursions above, ive never actually done those, my main has quite a few SP so I am sure the train into a suitable ship would be relatively short.

Yes I left for a more casual thing, but now that I am actually out in high sec, I am finding it… well dull. If I do industry ill need to get a corp with a bunch of BPOs that I could at least copy, or start a collection, although I was reading some posts on industry and making better cash away from the main trade hubs etc etc and I did try and use my limited knowledge of ingame and out of game stuff to try and find something but ended up wasting an hour looking at my screen thinking that is for someone that is feeling excited about this game.

The idea originally to have 2 accounts was to plex one account and pay for the other as I can afford one account with cash, to pay for a plex to turn into ISK isn’t suitable for my budget, perhaps I should aim to plex the account every other month, that of course would make thing much more affordable.

I think I just need to find something in game to capture that awe I had at the beginning, perhaps my move to HS was a mistake and is giving me some kind of culture shock lol, perhaps I should stick my main out in null again and just use the other 5 accounts in high sec to do the industry. as a way to try and make a plex every 2 months, that way it won’t be such a grind. I just need to find a decent corp to stick them in.
Francis McLean
V0LTA
New Eden Alliance 99013733
#9 - 2016-06-01 09:56:59 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:
incursions is the answer you are looking for.
+100mil/hour at least (aka you need only 10 hours in a month for a plex) .

there are plenty of guides and a couple of community that run incursions in highsec open to public.
the only thing you need to do is login and catch up with them.

requirements:
- can fly a battleship (pref faction battleship) or a shield logi
that's all :)


this is probably the most simple way of making decent amounts of money

PI in LS can generate over 2bn a month with little skill and investment required just setting it up properly, esp if you're in a corp with their own POCOs. LS DED sites can drop billions if you're lucky and 100s of millions if you're not. You can make more than enough to plex an account with a trading toon (not in Jita).

I've heard you can make 1bn an hour in WHs but I've never tried it.

There are virtually limitless ways of making isk in eve, you just have to be proactive enough to find them :)
Wyk Bathana
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#10 - 2016-06-01 10:12:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyk Bathana
find a corp /alliance in null sec. Try exploration. Usual relic sites give, as a rule of thumb, about 10-80 millions/site, and data sites about 3-10 millions/site. Or use looted items from these sites for manufacturing.
Of course, depending on the population the area and the concurrence of other players doing explo, you will sometimes have to wait for a long time before you find a relic site, but i find it more pleasant than mining.

You can also run faction relic/data sites in WH C1-C3 with no sleeper attacking you, but remember that these sites won't give you more isks than usual relic/data sites whereas WH space is a little bit more dangerous.

And set up PI extraction/production. In null sec, you can earn at least 1 million per day per each planet just extracting P0 and producing P1 (old players will say you can earn much more, but i am a newbie). 6 alts x5 planets =30 planets, that means 30 millions per day, 900 millions per months, a PLEX. But it will require gestion/ hauling of PI for 30 planets, which will be boring, and different from the "relaxing game" you long for.

Memphis Baas wrote:
That said, making a PLEX a month is not relaxing as it's a GRIND; if you relax you don't make the 1 bil required (a bit less than 1 bil nowadays).

If you want "relaxed" you pay $20 for a PLEX and sell it for your 800m and then you can be relaxed cause you have 800m to waste on ships.
.


i totally agree with you

Wyk
Sian Neue
Tannhauser C-Beam
#11 - 2016-06-01 10:15:49 UTC
Hi Francis

When I was in the WH I did PI, 6 toons, 33 planets and I was pulling in about 850/900m (gross). I was told then that 900m was really low for a WH, but after trying P2 products (too much micro managing and trying to get stock out of the WH was a mare) to P3 (having researched what sells in sufficient quantity related to decent profit) I wasn’t even touching 2b in a WH, let alone low sec. I may have been doing it wrong but I cannot see how I was doing it THAT wrong. I was selling to buyer orders sure but the differences between the two after fees was not 1.1b and we had our own POCOs in the WH, low taxes too.

I never made 1b a hour in a WH (a C4) although I didn’t really PVE there, I know some of our US guys did and I think that they may have collectively gotten that amount but it was split between the fleet members as the sites that would pay out that kind of isk would not be possible solo.

There are indeed lots of ways of making ISK in eve, but without the knowledge of streamlining that into a method that doesn’t take your entire session is the secret, and that is what I am failing to master at the moment.
Sian Neue
Tannhauser C-Beam
#12 - 2016-06-01 10:25:50 UTC
hi Wyk

The idea was to stay away from null sec, although I am beginning to think that that is not going to be possible. I've done the whole PI thing 33 planets, it is a click fest chore and yes boring, but it is good money, even if people don't think 900m a month is good from a WH.

Ive done explo too, inc WH (althogh I think C3 have sleepers dont they it is just C1 and C2 that have the faction sites (cannot remember though), this can be good but often found even in the null and low sec connections that there were not many sites around, I guess people did lots of them as they appear.

Perhaps I need to re-evaluate, perhaps I will have to go to null sec and the relatively non easy going eve life that I thought would be good.
flashmek
Dysfunctional Logistic Services
#13 - 2016-06-01 12:46:35 UTC
in all honesty, it depends on your play style and what you want to do in the game whilst you play, how much time you have to invest and the likes.

me personally was gone for 2 years, came back and just started running missions, i can do lvl 4 solo, i earn around 30 mil an hour not including LP and can just relax, dont need to rely on others or waiting hours to get in a group, im not getting hounded by people wanting to blow me up, i can just go at my own pace and go as fast or slow as i want.

people get too caught up in min maxing, just play to what suites you and make the best of it, forget what everyone else is doing or how much they earn.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#14 - 2016-06-01 12:52:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Scanning toon + combat pilot, run the hs cobat exploration sites and ls escelations.
Scanning toon can act as a covops scout whitch i felt was important enough to buy an aditional monitor for.

Dont tell anyone els though ... Its a secret.

No scanning toon, can be done hs and ls, maybe takes longer and is more demanding (harder) and more risky, but I like it.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#15 - 2016-06-01 12:56:17 UTC
Sian Neue wrote:
Hi Francis

When I was in the WH I did PI, 6 toons, 33 planets and I was pulling in about 850/900m (gross). I was told then that 900m was really low for a WH, but after trying P2 products (too much micro managing and trying to get stock out of the WH was a mare) to P3 (having researched what sells in sufficient quantity related to decent profit) I wasn’t even touching 2b in a WH, let alone low sec. I may have been doing it wrong but I cannot see how I was doing it THAT wrong. I was selling to buyer orders sure but the differences between the two after fees was not 1.1b and we had our own POCOs in the WH, low taxes too.

I never made 1b a hour in a WH (a C4) although I didn’t really PVE there, I know some of our US guys did and I think that they may have collectively gotten that amount but it was split between the fleet members as the sites that would pay out that kind of isk would not be possible solo.

There are indeed lots of ways of making ISK in eve, but without the knowledge of streamlining that into a method that doesn’t take your entire session is the secret, and that is what I am failing to master at the moment.


P4 is where the ISK at friend. 1 toon with 5 planets (all factories); 4 planets for P1 to P3 + 1 planet for P3 to P4. look for a corp that has internal hauling/logistics to buy your P1 from trade hubs and you'll be gaining minimum of 100K/toon/day.

Just Add Water

Sian Neue
Tannhauser C-Beam
#16 - 2016-06-01 13:00:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Sian Neue
hi Nat

One of my thoughts was to join a HS corp with POCOs so I could do P4, I really could not be arsed to do this is null or low, relying on others to JF entire shipments of P1, and no one does that stuff for free. If I was to do that it would need to be in high, even then probably starting at the P2 level. I have only had a little look but it seems that a lot of the corps in high sec that own poco are small, maybe holding corps
Jan van Riebeeck
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2016-06-01 14:12:38 UTC
Null can be, if not more, casual than high sec depending on the corp you join. Depending on the space they hold it can be very profitable.
Sian Neue
Tannhauser C-Beam
#18 - 2016-06-01 14:26:43 UTC
Jan van Riebeeck wrote:
Null can be, if not more, casual than high sec depending on the corp you join. Depending on the space they hold it can be very profitable.


Yeah I am getting that impression. Knowing who those corps/alliances are is the issue, I think that I may try and research this a bit further, It is not always obvious from the stuff in the recruitment forums on who is who and what is what.
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2016-06-01 16:21:46 UTC
Sian Neue wrote:
I have had an eve account for about 6 years, recently I decided to open another account so I have 2 accounts with 6 toons, I did this mainly as I was living in a WH at the time and thought that the PI would be great and I would be able to plex the account as well as having ISK left over to buy PVP ships and fittings for my main.

I left the WH corp with the intentions of maybe getting into industry out in high sec, I figured with 6 toons and 60 manufacturing lines I could set up a little manufacturing and make some ISK, running missions and escalations with my main But it has not really worked out that way, trying to research something that is profitable is apparently beyond me.

I am just looking for a relaxing way to play the game, nothing massively complicated just enough to make a plex a month with a little over for ships and yet I don’t seem to have the knowledge to do that, it is either a boring grind or it seems you need to have outside game knowledge or an army of alts to do it… its very frustrating, so much so I am thinking of killing off that 2nd account.

I know that this will probably be flamed to death which is fair enough, I read the forums and I see how vicious people can be with posts like this, but before I make any decisions I thought I would throw this out there and just ask if people are willing to share their ideas on interesting things to do in high sec so I can try and rediscover what I liked about this game those 6 years ago.

~Edit: Adjusted Title to better reflect OP's Post. ~ISD Buldath


Incursions.

10 hours a month is all it takes to plex a single account.
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-06-01 16:24:37 UTC
Sian Neue wrote:
hi Nat

One of my thoughts was to join a HS corp with POCOs so I could do P4, I really could not be arsed to do this is null or low, relying on others to JF entire shipments of P1, and no one does that stuff for free. If I was to do that it would need to be in high, even then probably starting at the P2 level. I have only had a little look but it seems that a lot of the corps in high sec that own poco are small, maybe holding corps


HIsec pocos automatically apply a 10% tax on top of the tax that is already applied by the corp that owns it. My old null corp used to only have a 7% tax. So yeah, 15% tax in a hisec poco vs 7% tax, not to mention nullsec planets are far, far, far, far, far, far better and extract more with more resources, so in most cases, even with JF costs, its more profitable.
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