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NO DROP FOR GANKERS?????

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Cranial Rectidus
ElevenBravo
#41 - 2016-06-01 03:56:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Cranial Rectidus
Super Ormand wrote:
Drago Shouna wrote:
Good, you deserve **** all, move to low/null and fight like men.

Unless that's where are, if so ignore the above.



First, the goal of the gank here is to make some isk, not fight. Second, the gank is so legitimate as ratting, mining or trade.


The goal of the hi-sec gank sqaud is to avoid having to make any real money where people actually have a chance to fight back and ruin your mining-industrial-hauler gank fit ships. The old days of ganking you got your ship and loot and left the pod (unless he was afk). Now days it has become even more honorless than it was before because it isn't about getting the isk, it is about causing the other player to lose as much as possible.. So are you including your implant losses to your pod kills in your numbers?
ISD Buldath
#42 - 2016-06-01 06:26:24 UTC
Posting in a Quality Shiptoast thread.

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Mortlake
Republic Military School
#43 - 2016-06-01 06:46:20 UTC
ISD Buldath wrote:
Posting in a Quality Shiptoast thread.


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Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2016-06-01 06:54:03 UTC
I know the problem.
All the rookie ships you're losing by ganking stations (drawing concord away from gates) drop everything (THE TRIT!!) are balancing your no drop freighters.
So if you stop sacrificing rookie ships you might have more success getting better drops from freighter ganks.
Khannu
Doomheim
#45 - 2016-06-01 07:24:04 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Honestly, if you're ganking for the ISK you're ganking for the wrong reasons.


you obviously have never done ganks :P
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
#46 - 2016-06-01 07:29:40 UTC
PayMyIskNOW wrote:
Hi there guys!!


I've been talking with some friends to try to understand what is going on with the drops when we kill someone in high sec...

[...]

So, CCP, did you guys changed the drop chance/the drop mechanics? Please, if you did, let us know!


The drops you aim to collect are called teardrops. If this number is reduced, while the number of ganks performed remains stable this might be an indication of the overall population growing or hardening up.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#47 - 2016-06-01 07:39:19 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
The drops you aim to collect are called teardrops. If this number is reduced, while the number of ganks performed remains stable this might be an indication of the overall population growing or hardening up.

If only this were true (the last bit of your post). Alas, the first bit was also wrong (not totally, but not completely right either).

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#48 - 2016-06-01 08:12:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
You still have a lot of fun ganking people, let it be your paycheck.

Well this thread is giving me an IDEA.
What about a module fitted to freighters that would DESTROY all cargo in the event of destructiuon of ship? Like an "autodestructive cargobay". Lol
Would give additional 20% more cargospace. Cool

More I think about it, it becomes even more funny.

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2016-06-01 08:23:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Nana Skalski wrote:
You still have a lot of fun ganking people, let it be your paycheck.

Unfortunately, even 20,000 years in the future it's unlikely that being a breatharian will be good for long term survival.

ISK is a necessary evil and for those that like fun more than grind, ganking is a good option to gain said ISK by relieving it from people that just horde it.

Gankers are really Eve's equivalent of Robin Hood. Rob from the rich, to give to the poor (and charity starts in the home).

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2016-06-01 08:41:10 UTC
PayMyIskNOW wrote:

The thing is: we noticed that the drops are very bad lately, almost everyone agrees that there must be something "wrong".
Killmails of 2b, 3b, 5b or higher, and the drops are like 60m? 70m? 150m? What is going on?
I could link you some exemples but i'm sure you guys got the idea...

i was dealing with this "50% drop chance" for all the years i was ganking FW n00bs. Some say it is RNG. But RNG produces some median result over the time if you give big enough set of encounters. In my case drop chance is about 25-30%.

So yeah... either it's CCP(c) RNG and you just bad lucker like me Lol

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Alastair Ormand
Mine all the things
#51 - 2016-06-01 09:57:37 UTC
Everything has a risk, you of all people should know this. You blow a ship up you spin the wheel of loot. Bad luck if it doesn't give you what you want.

I discourage running with scissors.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#52 - 2016-06-01 10:46:40 UTC
Easily explained: Donuts for CONCORD.
Anke Eyrou
Hades Sisters
#53 - 2016-06-01 11:11:56 UTC
PayMyIskNOW wrote:
Hi there guys!!


I've been talking with some friends to try to understand what is going on with the drops when we kill someone in high sec...
I mean, especially when we gank someone. Not wardec or duel thing, i'm talking about real gank, when you become a criminal Lol

The thing is: we noticed that the drops are very bad lately, almost everyone agrees that there must be something "wrong".
Killmails of 2b, 3b, 5b or higher, and the drops are like 60m? 70m? 150m? What is going on?
I could link you some exemples but i'm sure you guys got the idea...

So, CCP, did you guys changed the drop chance/the drop mechanics? Please, if you did, let us know!

Thx in advance!


I thought somebody who is a 'true' ganker does it for the laughs and not the expected quality/quantity reward of the drop.
You deserve everything you get.

I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression.

Iain Cariaba
#54 - 2016-06-02 01:41:48 UTC
Super Ormand wrote:
My last 10 ganks:

Dropped: 5,530,295.38 ISK
Destroyed: 454,458,561.03 ISK

Dropped: 8,639,363.84 ISK
Destroyed: 354,927,396.51 ISK

Dropped: 245,219,257.65 ISK
Destroyed: 314,853,037.02 ISK

Dropped: 194,968,403.46 ISK
Destroyed: 209,530,947.07 ISK

Dropped: 745,453.16 ISK
Destroyed: 2,008,922,231.27 ISK

Dropped: 16,964,911.71 ISK
Destroyed: 479,770,974.11 ISK

Dropped: 183,888,686.09 ISK
Destroyed: 715,576,785.53 ISK

Dropped: 487,222,279.91 ISK
Destroyed: 5,411,320.31 ISK

Dropped: 94,397,186.30 ISK
Destroyed: 359,579,788.98 ISK

Dropped: 31,839,622.21 ISK
Destroyed: 1,263,225,319.31 ISK


FYI: Value of the item is totally irrelevant when the loot fairy decides what drops or not. If you have one PLEX and one Carbon in your hold when your ship explodes, each has an equal chance of dropping.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2016-06-02 02:16:03 UTC
Lots of people who have never ganked before making up motivation for ganking in here LOLOLOL
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2016-06-02 04:09:54 UTC
My motivation for ganking is purely altruistic, I do this to help people.

I go for pods, even though there's no loot for me. I lose isk doing that actually, which just proves I'm doing this for good reasons.

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#57 - 2016-06-02 07:15:08 UTC
Khannu wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Honestly, if you're ganking for the ISK you're ganking for the wrong reasons.


you obviously have never done ganks :P


But I have?
Erin Oswell
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#58 - 2016-06-02 09:36:51 UTC
Checking zkillboard would be a good place to get some estimates on recent drops, and compare them with drops from a few months ago maybe but I don't think there's been any change as I've seen people miss on Plex drops and people gain plex drops and I've seen people get nothing but the worst item even though the rest was valuable loot. For now at least, I'm satisfied that loot drops are purely random and seem to even out in the end.

You just need to hang a horseshoe on your hull or gank a leprechaun at the end of his rainbow.

Rules of Acquisition #13: "Anything worth doing is worth doing for money"
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#59 - 2016-06-02 09:59:10 UTC
Though this seems like a product of gambling psychology, this thread does reveal how willing people are to accept obviously skewed/unfair drop mechanics -just so long as it only affects those mean ol' gankers.

Anyone else starts a thread like this: "Hmm, that's interesting, we should look into this."

Ganker starts this thread: "Good! You're a bad person and don't deserve anything. I hope your children never learn to read!"

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Aurelius Ignum
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
#60 - 2016-06-02 10:19:23 UTC
PayMyIskNOW wrote:


I know what i'm taking about....


Famous last words. Almost as famous as "Watch this" or "Hold my beer". But not nearly as entertaining as hearing a Lt. say "In my experience".