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First public Fortizar with a market, near Jita
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Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#1 - 2016-05-17 19:21:12 UTC
Will it be next Jita ? Big smile

https://i.imgur.com/2LbubaB.png

edit : 1% tax
Cista2
EVE Museum
#2 - 2016-05-17 19:33:06 UTC
Exciting times indeed :)

My channel: "Signatures" -
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#3 - 2016-05-17 20:59:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhivre
there is another one going up in Perimeter tomorrow

And, yep, I have been taking advantage of the tax status to get extra profits flipping in jita all evening :p

EDIT: Only minor annoyance is the slight delay on asset view for listing the items for sale in Jita :p

Fluffy Bunny Pic!

Kaio
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2016-05-17 22:27:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaio
Minor bug: from Jita you can't set destination to the station through the market window.

you see the station in the market though.
Cista2
EVE Museum
#5 - 2016-05-18 05:48:52 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
EDIT: Only minor annoyance is the slight delay on asset view for listing the items for sale in Jita :p

Plus, you will get items sold to you from a swathe of other Forge systems that you will have to transport, right?

My channel: "Signatures" -
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#6 - 2016-05-18 05:56:31 UTC
Cista2 wrote:
Rhivre wrote:
EDIT: Only minor annoyance is the slight delay on asset view for listing the items for sale in Jita :p

Plus, you will get items sold to you from a swathe of other Forge systems that you will have to transport, right?


It's marginal if you trade in modules / ship / plex and all that stuff

it become a problem if you trade ore and other materials
Blue Macaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-05-18 20:39:11 UTC
All my stuff is hauled through courier - as soon as couriers become available to citadels i'll be within your ranks for the hek (lulz) of it - I want to see smaller hubs flourish. Also, consider the idea of having one-man corps pay you monthly fees for 0% tax :) (if the system allows it ... it should ... right? ... I'm drunk right now, funerals suck) - I'd rather pay a few hundred mills a month for the opportunity of flipping as I see fit even if I'm not big enough of a trader to make it worth it (small time producer in 0.0 - PushX is grabbing my cash all day every day) :)

Good luck and fly safe (also: defend the **** out of that citadel in case of wardec, you HAVE to prove people that citadels are a viable alternative to NPC stations)
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#8 - 2016-05-18 21:08:58 UTC
Cista2 wrote:
Rhivre wrote:
EDIT: Only minor annoyance is the slight delay on asset view for listing the items for sale in Jita :p

Plus, you will get items sold to you from a swathe of other Forge systems that you will have to transport, right?



Nothing yet.

The Forge is kind of special in that the vast majority of activity is in Jita.

Fluffy Bunny Pic!

Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort
#9 - 2016-05-20 15:31:23 UTC
Blue Macaw wrote:
All my stuff is hauled through courier - as soon as couriers become available to citadels i'll be within your ranks for the hek (lulz) of it - I want to see smaller hubs flourish. Also, consider the idea of having one-man corps pay you monthly fees for 0% tax :) (if the system allows it ... it should ... right? ... I'm drunk right now, funerals suck) - I'd rather pay a few hundred mills a month for the opportunity of flipping as I see fit even if I'm not big enough of a trader to make it worth it (small time producer in 0.0 - PushX is grabbing my cash all day every day) :)

Good luck and fly safe (also: defend the **** out of that citadel in case of wardec, you HAVE to prove people that citadels are a viable alternative to NPC stations)


The problem is that they are not (right now at least) acting like markets. People are just putting up buy orders within x distance to avoid the tax on the buy portion. The assets themselves are not actually moving to citadels.
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#10 - 2016-05-20 19:04:16 UTC
Scotsman Howard wrote:
Blue Macaw wrote:
All my stuff is hauled through courier - as soon as couriers become available to citadels i'll be within your ranks for the hek (lulz) of it - I want to see smaller hubs flourish. Also, consider the idea of having one-man corps pay you monthly fees for 0% tax :) (if the system allows it ... it should ... right? ... I'm drunk right now, funerals suck) - I'd rather pay a few hundred mills a month for the opportunity of flipping as I see fit even if I'm not big enough of a trader to make it worth it (small time producer in 0.0 - PushX is grabbing my cash all day every day) :)

Good luck and fly safe (also: defend the **** out of that citadel in case of wardec, you HAVE to prove people that citadels are a viable alternative to NPC stations)


The problem is that they are not (right now at least) acting like markets. People are just putting up buy orders within x distance to avoid the tax on the buy portion. The assets themselves are not actually moving to citadels.


I'm not even sure you can sell something in a citadel, have anyone tried ?
Cista2
EVE Museum
#11 - 2016-05-20 20:00:55 UTC
Aaron Honk wrote:
I'm not even sure you can sell something in a citadel, have anyone tried ?

There are plenty of PLEX on sale at "Elysium" right now.

My channel: "Signatures" -
Lorthans
Walrus Interstellar
#12 - 2016-05-20 20:03:25 UTC
Aaron Honk wrote:
Scotsman Howard wrote:
Blue Macaw wrote:
All my stuff is hauled through courier - as soon as couriers become available to citadels i'll be within your ranks for the hek (lulz) of it - I want to see smaller hubs flourish. Also, consider the idea of having one-man corps pay you monthly fees for 0% tax :) (if the system allows it ... it should ... right? ... I'm drunk right now, funerals suck) - I'd rather pay a few hundred mills a month for the opportunity of flipping as I see fit even if I'm not big enough of a trader to make it worth it (small time producer in 0.0 - PushX is grabbing my cash all day every day) :)

Good luck and fly safe (also: defend the **** out of that citadel in case of wardec, you HAVE to prove people that citadels are a viable alternative to NPC stations)


The problem is that they are not (right now at least) acting like markets. People are just putting up buy orders within x distance to avoid the tax on the buy portion. The assets themselves are not actually moving to citadels.


I'm not even sure you can sell something in a citadel, have anyone tried ?


You can - I visited Elysium and set up a sell order of a pile of salvage I had lying around, just to see if I could. It appears to have worked.
Poman Peigns
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-05-31 00:36:34 UTC
I'll have to give this a look, lots of potential.
Esturil Airuta
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2016-05-31 13:11:32 UTC
Now there are 8 of em in the Forge, not quite sure why. Admittedly one is in lowsec and another has a FU 50% market tax.
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#15 - 2016-05-31 18:41:58 UTC
Esturil Airuta wrote:
Now there are 8 of em in the Forge, not quite sure why. Admittedly one is in lowsec and another has a FU 50% market tax.


Offshoring

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

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-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
Plleasure Hub
Municorn
#16 - 2016-06-01 00:43:25 UTC
It is so weird how you need Visibility to place a buy order in a citadel, even while docked in the citadel. I docked at the very Fortizar shown in TheSmokingHertog's link with the intent of trying out this offshoring technique, but I was disappointed by this bug instead. I guess it is not a huge obstacle, as it will only take me 2 days to get Visibility trained to the point where I can place buy orders, but still. It is as if the game cannot connect the dots between you being docked in a citadel and the fact that you are placing an order there (ie this scenario would not be considered a remote buy order).

Between this, lack of courier or item exchange contracts, and the possible inability to see your citadel assets through the API, there sure are a lot of issues with citadels. They are effectively "in alpha" right now. It will be interesting to try using them again once all these issues are properly addressed. I think they have a lot of potential to add value to the game's atmosphere.

Just the fact that the place where you are offshoring is owned by an actual capsuleer / corp / faction / etc. is really cool. One thing I thought of, though, is that the existence of citadel owners introducing a new informational gameplay element. I would like to know exactly what citadel owners can see about the transactions occurring at their Fortizar. I assume they can at least see fee amounts.

With fee amounts and transactee names alone, a citadel owner could extrapolate a picture of how much trading a person or group performs and potentially use that information to their advantage.

"There's no meaningful difference between a real and a virtual world. It's pointless to ask anyone who they really are. All you can do is accept and believe in them, because whoever they are in your mind, is their true identity." — Kazuto Kirigaya
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#17 - 2016-06-01 01:27:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron Honk
Cista2
EVE Museum
#18 - 2016-06-01 05:41:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Cista2
Aaron Honk wrote:
it's not a bad thing to require these skills
It's a bad thing that
a) CCP are drastically raising tax barriers for trading in NPC stations
b) CCP are offering citadels with so many problems that a working citadel market is an impossibility
- at the same time.

My channel: "Signatures" -
Tertharan
#19 - 2016-06-03 07:08:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tertharan
Plleasure Hub wrote:
Just the fact that the place where you are offshoring is owned by an actual capsuleer / corp / faction / etc. is really cool. One thing I thought of, though, is that the existence of citadel owners introducing a new informational gameplay element. I would like to know exactly what citadel owners can see about the transactions occurring at their Fortizar. I assume they can at least see fee amounts.

With fee amounts and transactee names alone, a citadel owner could extrapolate a picture of how much trading a person or group performs and potentially use that information to their advantage.

I just tried it on Singularity out of curiosity, and what shows up in the wallet journal for the corp that owns the citadel is the same thing that shows up in your journal tab when you pay the broker, namely "Market order commission to broker authorized by: [Character name]". So they get the amount of brokers fee paid as well as the character name.