Crime & Punishment

Dont close the thread, its the most interesting one in C&P in ages (Where have all the scam-topic threads gone?!)

I have a few views to offer on various related topics.

Firstly, the thread title is 'the Unfairness of Eve'.

I played 10 years ago for a year or so, purely in hisec, mining. Then I quit, came back 7 years ago (I think), played for a year (?), again in hisec, mining, in hisec with a bit of 'ooh aren't I brave' Ventures into losec to mine pricey ore and run away back to hisec again.

I don't recall eber actually meeting any CODE players at all, although of course they shout so loud on the forums that they apoeared to be a bigger hisec presence than they are.

Quit, came back a month or so ago, moved to null.

My attitude to 'unfairness', the much-proclaimed 'hardcore' status of Eve, and ganking eyc has changed dramatically sinve my orevious visits. My overall feeling is that Eve isn't really all that hard or unfair, it simply has no tutorial. New players get dumped into the game and quickly become embroiled in a largely fakse sense of being tiny minnies surrounded by alpha predators etc. which is nonsense, really, but having no tutorial allows CCP to claim some sort of superiority over other MMOs, 'Eve isn't WoW, noobs, lrn2play, rahrah!'

If there was any sort of tutorial that went out of its way to get newbies used to the fact that getting their ships blown up is no big deal, and it worked, then Eve wouldn't be so scary.

Nobody playing Counterstrike gets killed the first time and quits playing forever, or rages on the forums about it.

Secondly:

Ganking is pvp, imo. So is trading. So is not undocking. And so is forum pvp. If you get one of the guys from Halloumi to go ooc in the forums, you've scored a win against CODE.

Years ago I recall reading about some infamous evescepade where some metc corp infiltrated a big corp over a year or something and then at the Appointed Time, they blew up the corp leader's Titan etc and stole all their assets, and iirc until that moment the undercover merc leader and the victim corp bigwig had become rl friends and he'd been to her house for dinner or something.

'Hi, how you doing, here, I've brought some wine, let's eat, friend!' was pvp.

Now I personally couldn't do sonething like that, but where's the line?

Eve's not unfair. It's badly organised. Gankers know more about the game than 2-month old players mining in hisec. Sure, the info is out there, but other games dekiver the info to noobs ingame. Eve doesn't, very well.

It's a really cool game, but much like the roleplayers in CODE, it needs to get over itself.

You should run your sig through a spellchecker.

Honer is a thing btw ;)

No mistakes were made

Some guy told me I had no honer back when I was in Black Hydra (when it was CODE.'s wardec wing), we laughed so hard that I had to put it somewhere :D

War targets at their finest

You all probably think he meant to write "honor". But I am sure he meant to write "boner".

Not having a boner in your moms basement is the ULTIMATE insult! :D