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Absolute Idiot
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2016-05-31 08:48:12 UTC
Hi Guys,

I am posting this here because I was getting some help from the rookie help channel and i just want to make sure of what i was allowed to do before i made a stupid mistake (Hence the name...)

My problem is this, I have a keypad (Orbweaver) and i would like to bind some keys to it

I read that this could get me banned, the rookie channel confirmed that some of this was true but certain things would not,

I understand one hardware action one game action ... i think...

I was left with the impression that if as an example i map the open map command to a key on my keypad that was okay,
but that dynamic assignments that do multiple things are not? which i sort of understand... Maybe...

does this mean that because my Orbweaver can switch between profiles and that if in one profile key 1 is a map but in profile two it activates the main gun that would be illegal?


Any clarification on this would be marvelous.
Moustache Cuir
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-05-31 18:10:15 UTC
why would it be against the rules? I'm playing on a potato/toaster (weak arse laptop) so I don't have any fancy macro on my keyboard but I thought that the rule was "as long as it doesn't automate gameplay it's fine" ?

If it's your brain that decides it's time to activate said modules / shortcut and not a third party software ... how is it against the rules?

Any dev willing to post an answer? :3
Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#3 - 2016-05-31 18:24:25 UTC
I've never used a keypad, but my understanding is one keypress has to equal one action in game, so you can't map one keypress to go to multiple clients/multiple actions at once.

You're only going to get player responses here, so it's probably safer to open a support ticket with CCP asking the question if you think you might be violating a rule using that hardware
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2016-05-31 19:27:15 UTC
Do not use the macro function.

Its exactly the same as a keyboard with a macro function i.e. Any razor keyboard.

Rebinding keys is fine

Using macros is absolutly not.

Just dont usethe macro function and you will be fine.

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Magmain
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-05-31 19:55:04 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Do not use the macro function.

Its exactly the same as a keyboard with a macro function i.e. Any razor keyboard.

Rebinding keys is fine

Using macros is absolutly not.

Just dont usethe macro function and you will be fine.



I thought macros were fine? So long as they were contained within a single client. Meaning, one press wouldn't activate the same macro across all 19 clients you have open? My single button to activate all lasers + active armor mods at once would be a no go? My understanding of these so called rules is lacking.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6 - 2016-05-31 20:32:00 UTC
Magmain wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Do not use the macro function.

Its exactly the same as a keyboard with a macro function i.e. Any razor keyboard.

Rebinding keys is fine

Using macros is absolutly not.

Just dont usethe macro function and you will be fine.



I thought macros were fine? So long as they were contained within a single client. Meaning, one press wouldn't activate the same macro across all 19 clients you have open? My single button to activate all lasers + active armor mods at once would be a no go? My understanding of these so called rules is lacking.

I do not belive they are, however my phone sucks ass so i cant get throught the eula and find the relevant bit ( i did try though).

Anyone fancy giving the f12 button some love?

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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#7 - 2016-05-31 21:06:07 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I do not belive they are, however my phone sucks ass so i cant get throught the eula and find the relevant bit ( i did try though).

Anyone fancy giving the f12 button some love?


No macros, section 6.A.3

Quote:
You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2016-05-31 21:08:45 UTC
Isaac Armer wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I do not belive they are, however my phone sucks ass so i cant get throught the eula and find the relevant bit ( i did try though).

Anyone fancy giving the f12 button some love?


No macros, section 6.A.3

Quote:
You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

There it is, cheers man.

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Magmain
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-05-31 21:25:38 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Isaac Armer wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I do not belive they are, however my phone sucks ass so i cant get throught the eula and find the relevant bit ( i did try though).

Anyone fancy giving the f12 button some love?


No macros, section 6.A.3

Quote:
You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

There it is, cheers man.


Welp. I guess I could program the macros to be slower than me. Solves the lazy problem at least.

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Nalia White
Tencus
#10 - 2016-05-31 21:46:53 UTC
Magmain wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Isaac Armer wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I do not belive they are, however my phone sucks ass so i cant get throught the eula and find the relevant bit ( i did try though).

Anyone fancy giving the f12 button some love?


No macros, section 6.A.3

Quote:
You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

There it is, cheers man.


Welp. I guess I could program the macros to be slower than me. Solves the lazy problem at least.


well if you are so lazy to risk a ban be my guest :)

how they would detect that i have no idea though.

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Memphis Baas
#11 - 2016-05-31 22:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
A "macro" in terms of programmable keyboards is when a single KEY press causes multiple actions. For example, if you program

K1 : multi-key : F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 or
K1 : F1, wait 1 second, F2, wait 1 second, F3, wait 1 second, F4

Those are not allowed.

On the other hand, if you have:

K1 : F1
P2 (to switch to second profile)
K1 : shift F1

That's ok, because you're pressing once to activate that F1 weapon, then pressing to switch keyboard profiles (no action in-game), and then pressing once again to overheat the F1 slot. So you're pressing a key 3 times to activate what a guy with a regular keyboard could do with 2 clicks of the mouse, or 2 key presses.

These are allowed:

K1 = ctrl shift D (open drone bay)
K2 = alt R (reload all weapons)
K3 = ctrl space (stop ship)

because one key press does 1 single action.

EDIT: If you're doing stuff that a guy with a regular $5 non-programmable keyboard can't do, then you're probably breaking the rules. This includes multi-keys, or one key for multiple sessions of EVE simultaneously.
W33b3l
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-05-31 22:56:13 UTC
If you use a macro that just types alt+r or something simple to recall drones you should ne fine just dont get complex and time modules or something.
Absolute Idiot
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2016-05-31 23:54:50 UTC
Hi Guys,

Excellent, thanks for the feed back. Much Appreciated,

What I had in mind was pretty much what Memphis Baas suggested. I Don't have multiple clients just the one,

I was going to re set the in game keys to single keys and then bind the ones I want to the keypad as I don't really like using my keyboard for games but also being banned would be a bad thing seeing as I only started a few weeks ago.