Market Discussions

Yes, but Termerity, these are the official forums for a reason. Official; sanctioned by CCP for the discussion of EVE-related matters, and a reliable destination for many of us.

Your arrogance is really quite breathtaking. You are slandering people like me, calling us immature, liars and cretins.

Please tell me specifically what you regard as wrong with these forums, set up by the makers of EVE Online as a service to the players and a vital communications tool for the developers?

In my time, I've had cause to be disappointed with some aspects of the forums, but I never once doubted their importance or took the opportunity to take a side-swipe at CCP for providing them.

You've handled this issue very poorly Termerity; I would like to see you continue to engage with the player base on these forums; hopefully some good can come of it if you do.

Perhaps you just need to take a deep breath, calm down, and answer your critics politely and sincerely. You're beginning to appear like the Boy Scout who helped the old lady across the road - whether she wanted to cross it or not...

Anyone seriously suggesting that Reddit is a meaningful alternative to the official forums is quite honestly deluded.

I am more active on Reddit than these forums, yet my criticisms would be the same on either. Do I really need to copy and paste my posts on your Reddit thread for them to magically become valid in your eyes? As Alexander Hamilton once said, "Don't modulate the key then not debate with me."

And yet you havent answered any questions, which you said you would.

Although, good job invoking that no one in this thread is involved in helping others.

This is starting to reek of scam. That or OP is simply not ready for a project of this scale. OP refuses to acknowledge legitimate concerns and has resorted to passive aggressive insults, name-calling, and self-righteous rhetoric.



You're the biggest troll in this thread, OP. Your evasiveness and immature responses should be alarming to any current or prospective investors. If you keep going like this, you will destroy any credibility you have before you even anchor the citadel.

Just in case you aren't running a disgusting scam and are just poorly handling a honest project, let me give you some advice:

• Do not insult the very people that could become your supporters.
• Think before you speak.
• Do not take criticisms as a personal attack. Anything you do publicly will attract criticism. Embrace it and learn to respond in a thoughtful way.
• Do not attack the character of others simply because they disagree with you. I volunteer IRL on a regular basis, and I will continue to do so for the rest of my life, because I care about my community and my fellow man. Yet, I am openly critical of charities that are poorly run or corrupt. They not only exist, but are sadly quite common. Just because you slap the word, "charity" on your project does not mean you can do no wrong. The moment you ask for public support, you are subject to scrutiny. Learn to deal with it if you want to be a leader in the community.

I believe you are referring to the concern that this project would cause a significant rise in PLEX prices. The reason for that is because 100% of the ISK earned by the citadel through broker fees would be spent on PLEX and donated to PLEX4GOOD, removing it from the game.

Here is an analogy to that scenario. The state of Texas starts buying 9 billion barrels of oil a year and lighting them on fire, because for every barrel destroyed, Google agrees to donate $1 to feeding the hungry. Sure, this means that a lot more people will get food that they need. But as a result, gas prices rise 25%, making it harder for everyone to afford to travel. This solves one problem by creating another.

A similar effect could occur in the PLEX market, because tons of ISK would start being spent on PLEX with the intent of destroying said PLEX for charity.

Thank you, Plleasure Hub! Your analogy was good enough that I grasped it on first reading. The potential for real harm to the game and its players is extremely serious.

I'd be surprised if CCP would even glance at the proposal in its current form. Yet, Termerity implies they're already on board. How can that be?

Wishing to do my duty, I did go to Twitter and make a brief comment. Termerity replied that Chribba is indeed confirmed as CEO. Yet to hear it from the man himself though. Perhaps CCP would also like to comment, since their name has already been linked to the project...? Is there a DEV around?

Some of my colleagues in the 'emergent gameplay' business have posited that changes in game mechanics might be required to make the thing work. If that's the case then this may be a long and very bumpy ride.

The main problem is that OP is running with a fear scenario concocted in the brain of Gevlon Goblin, this fear tactic is not just wrong, its a terrible argument for a Charity oriented Citadel.

There is absolutetely nothing wrong with the Idea of Charity, but OP has done ZERO planing or due diligence, except for poking a few famous people, about funding and "underwriting/security"..

If anyone are genuinely interested in the Charity Concept and Citadels, I suggest they consider talking to some that actually run Citadels, or have a proper business plan for running one. I am sure many would be open to the idea, and do proper audited periods of charity profits, and maybe even donate specif renters office rent specifically to selected charities.. or similar models.. None of such was mentioned in OPs suggestion, though non neutral war/content creation was, which should get anyone even remotely interested in the Charity concept to run away..

So as mentioned I doubt OP will come back and try again, clearly he is not mature enough for a public endeavour of this type, or he might have actually considered who the MD is composed of, and not thrown around personal attacks or even posted such an unfinished BP..

A problem I had was that only some of the ISK earned by the citadel would be going to PLEX for Good, while the rest would be used to pay mercenaries to defend the citadel, fund charity events, and even wars ("We may indeed turn out to be a driver of conflict from one end of the cluster to another"). I think without all the funds going to PLEX for Good it's very prone to corruption. Calling it a charity citadel and invoking PLEX for Good seems to me just using charity to further their own goal and let others profit from it too which is against the spirit, and letter, of PLEX for Good

...and it's sickening that CCP is surreptitiously trying to replace the forums for it as the primary means of player-base communication. Shame on them.