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hi! a few doubts from a new player.

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Erfbek VorPatril
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2016-05-28 14:46:44 UTC
hi everyone!

i tried eve a few times in the past but because the dollar rate in my country its not good i had to refrain from subbing. now that i can sub i have a few doubts.

my first doubt is if there is any way to make the clouds on combat sites shine less cause i can barely see anything xD
second if you enter a corporation is there a penalty if you want to leave?
and can you make steady isk in high sec to be able to afford flying a stratios ( the goal i set up because i love the design of the ship xD)

and im currently flying and algos. and just concentrated on the drone skills but im not quite sure when a ship needs to be shield or armor tanked.

thank you

pd: i apologize for my english (im not a native speaker)
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-05-28 15:09:52 UTC
1. Zoom out? Or if you're in amarrian space place the camera on the other side
2. No. It really depends on the corp.
3. Yes you can make enough ISK. There are better ways but with more risk otherwise enjoy the very bad isk/hr of highsec
4. Good. Keep on training them drones because the stratios uses them alot. As for tanking, the algos can go either way but not both. It depends on what you want that ship to do.

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Erfbek VorPatril
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2016-05-28 15:13:52 UTC
well with my algos im currently doing serpentis combat sites like the refuges and the narcotic warehouses. and the data and relic sites i find along the way. i already trained drones V and started to train the durability and interfacing. what would be a good skill plan to training the drones.



thank you!
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#4 - 2016-05-28 15:19:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Erfbek VorPatril wrote:
and im currently flying and algos. and just concentrated on the drone skills but im not quite sure when a ship needs to be shield or armor tanked.
The general rule of thumb is to compare the mid and low slots, more mids than lows generally means a shield tank, more lows than mids generally means an armour tank

Amarr and Gallente ships are normally armour tanked, Caldari ships are normally shield tanked and Minmatar ships are normally tanked with whatever loot is lying around Twisted

Seriously though, Minmatar ships are split between armour and shield, some work well with either; no races ships work well if you try to combine an armour and shield tank.

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pd: i apologize for my english (im not a native speaker)
I've seem far far worse from native speakers, you've nothing to worry about there.

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well with my algos im currently doing serpentis combat sites like the refuges and the narcotic warehouses. and the data and relic sites i find along the way. i already trained drones V and started to train the durability and interfacing. what would be a good skill plan to training the drones.
If you're up against Serpentis you should be dealing kinetic and thermal damage, drone wise that means Hobgoblins or Hornets.

If you haven't already done so there are racial drone specialisation skills to train, they buff drone damage and health and give you immediate access to the relevant T2 scout drones (Hobgoblin II and the like) which are considerably more powerful than the T1 scout drones (Hobgoblin I).

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Erfbek VorPatril
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2016-05-28 15:39:17 UTC
okay, im currently running a shield extender, a kinetic deflecrion amplifier and a microwarpdrive. and in the low slot a damage control, drone damage amplifier and a small armor repairer. what should i loose? so i should buy the drone specialization as soon as i can so can use de hobs II? right now im using 3 hobs and 2 hammerheads
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-05-28 15:43:22 UTC
1. Are the rats going through your shields into armor?
if no
Drop the armor rep for another drone damage amp
if yes
put some rigs to increase your resist or passive regen and see if it works

Here are two algos fits (for pvp use but can be modified for pve)

[Algos, PVP Algos Mk II-S]
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Medium Shield Extender II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
J5 Enduring Warp Disruptor

75mm Gatling Rail II
75mm Gatling Rail II
75mm Gatling Rail II
75mm Gatling Rail II
75mm Gatling Rail II
Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x3
Warrior II x5

Spike S x2000
Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S x1000
Nanite Repair Paste x20


[Algos, PVP Algos Mk II-A]
400mm Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier

75mm Gatling Rail II
75mm Gatling Rail II
75mm Gatling Rail II
75mm Gatling Rail II
75mm Gatling Rail II
Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer

Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x3
Warrior II x5

Spike S x1000
Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S x1000
Nanite Repair Paste x78

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#7 - 2016-05-28 16:07:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Erfbek VorPatril wrote:
okay, im currently running a shield extender, a kinetic deflecrion amplifier and a microwarpdrive. and in the low slot a damage control, drone damage amplifier and a small armor repairer. what should i loose?
The Algos doesn't have a shield or armour bonus IIRC and an equal amount of low and mid slots so you can run either an armour tank or a shield tank, but you shouldn't do both at the same time, which is what you're currently doing; we call that a dual tank, otherwise known as a bad idea P.

If you're going to run a shield tank, drop the armour repairer and replace it with another module that'll increase the damage you deal; gank (DPS) is a form of tank, or a module that increases the shield recharge or capacity.

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so i should buy the drone specialization as soon as i can so can use de hobs II? right now im using 3 hobs and 2 hammerheads
Given the type of ships you're currently up against you'll find 5x hobgoblin 1s are more effective than 3 hobs + 2 hammerheads, medium drones move slower and are unable to track targets as well as scout drones. As for the drone specialisation skills, that is up to you, bear in mind that'll you'll end up training them eventually anyway.

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Erfbek VorPatril
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2016-05-28 16:13:28 UTC
okay il try removing the scanning rigs i have set up andchange for shield rigs and drop the armour repairer. should i drop the damage control too?
Ka Plaa
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-05-28 16:14:28 UTC
- Stratios is a beautiful and fun ship, good goal.
- Drone skills are good as the Stratios uses mainly drones and medium lasers.
- Train to be able to use covert ops cloaking device - the Stratios uses them and they are great.
- Stratios (like the other Sisters of Eve ships) is bonused for exploration purpose. If you would like to try exploration, I would suggest learning how in highsec, but then doing it for money in lowsec, 0.0, or wormhole space (much too many players doing it in highsec and the rewards are not good anyway)
- Stratios is armor-tanked and should use a medium armor-repairor for PVE.
- Perhaps you might be interested in trying the Stratios' little sister the Astero first?

o/


Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#10 - 2016-05-28 16:18:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Erfbek VorPatril wrote:
okay il try removing the scanning rigs i have set up andchange for shield rigs and drop the armour repairer. should i drop the damage control too?
Have you been trying to build a "swiss army knife" ship?

If you have, give up, it's just not possible; by making it able to do everything, it does nothing well.

For scanning use one of the frigates with a scanning bonus, the Imicus is the Gallente one; you'll find that the actual scanning takes less time, bookmark your results and then swap into a DPS ship to kill all of the things.

If you venture into lowsec use a Helios, which has scanning bonuses and can warp cloaked when fitted with a covert ops cloak, I have no idea if the cloak is still called that though, CCP have changed a lot of names in the last couple of years as part of tiericide.

Your rigs are toast when you remove them, you'll have to buy some more if you go with a dedicated scanning ship.

Keep the damage control, it's probably the most powerful tanking module in Eve.

When the icon for it looked like a suitcase, a common refrain on the forums and in threads talking about ship fitting was that "you never leave without your suitcase"

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Wombat65Au Egdald
R I S E
#11 - 2016-05-28 16:20:31 UTC
Erfbek VorPatril wrote:
okay, im currently running a shield extender, a kinetic deflecrion amplifier and a microwarpdrive. and in the low slot a damage control, drone damage amplifier and a small armor repairer. what should i loose? so i should buy the drone specialization as soon as i can so can use de hobs II? right now im using 3 hobs and 2 hammerheads


It's generally a good idea to pick either your shield or your armor as your main defence and only fit modules for your shield or your armor, but not both. You've done both. Take off the armor repairer. Replace it with something like a "Magnetic Field Stabilizer", it will make your ship's guns more powerful, or another drone damage amplifier to increase your drone damage even more.

You can also replace the kinetic deflection module with another shield extender to give your shield more points, or an "adaptive invulnerability field" module which helps your shield resist all types of damage.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2016-05-28 16:25:14 UTC
Erfbek VorPatril wrote:

my first doubt is if there is any way to make the clouds on combat sites shine less cause i can barely see anything xD

I think that is mostly just in Amarr space. I dislike Amarr space for that reason. Like other's have said zoom out or face your camera away from it or go to non-Amarrian space.
Erfbek VorPatril wrote:

second if you enter a corporation is there a penalty if you want to leave?

There are consequences to everything. However there is no built-in mechanic that puts some restrictive penalties on you. Sometime having a long employment history can raise some questions when applying for corps in the future. Also if you do something to **** people off big time, potentially they could try and follow you around and harass you. However that is highly unlikely and you'd have to had done something grudge worthy.

Short answer is no not really. Or only in extreme cases.
Erfbek VorPatril wrote:

and can you make steady isk in high sec to be able to afford flying a stratios ( the goal i set up because i love the design of the ship xD)

Yes. High sec incursions and mission running can both earn over 100 million isk per hour. Note that I said can as just doing either of them won't necessarily get you that much isk per hour. You'll have to do some research and practice but you can get there. Keep in mind with both of those activities you will be making isk from LP so don't focus on just the initial payouts of isk.
Erfbek VorPatril wrote:

and im currently flying and algos. and just concentrated on the drone skills but im not quite sure when a ship needs to be shield or armor tanked.

Other's have made good comments on this so far. To add to that:

PvE tanking usually focuses more on repairing damage where PvP typically focuses more on buffer (having more EHP). Both requrie resists.

For PvE typically you want to focus your resist mods on the faction that you will be up against. So for Sansha / Bloodraiders you'll want to resist Em/Therm and for Serpentis / Guristas you'll want to resist Kinetic / Therm etc... PvP is typically focused more on an omni tank meaning have fairly even resists across the board.

There is such a thing as a passive shield tank. You can read up more on that here I'll just cover active tanking. So you usually want at least a couple resist modules so against Sansha / Bloodraiders that would be one EM resist and One Therm resist (on my BS I use two of each so four resists total). Then you want a local repper. This goes the same for either shield or armor but you want either not both. You can use rigs also to help with tank. Keep in mind that your best defense is a good offense, you don't need to tank dps from dead NPCs. Also smaller ships can typically avoid most in coming DPS with skilled piloting.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Fitting_Guidelines

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Fitting_101

The above links are probably a good place to start reading
http://www.hostile.dk/files/eve/eve-tracking101.swf
That link is a gunnery / tracking guide which is good info to know when trying to use piloting to either avoid or apply DPS to or from turrets.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#13 - 2016-05-28 16:31:40 UTC
Erfbek VorPatril
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2016-05-28 16:36:24 UTC
okay ill give those a read and see what i come up with. regarding leaving the corp its just i dont see them online often they tend to be mining and i was just interested in exploring xD

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2016-05-28 16:41:28 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
The Algos doesn't have a shield or armour bonus IIRC and an equal amount of low and mid slots so you can run either an armour tank or a shield tank, but you shouldn't do both at the same time,


In a situation like this often the NPC race that you will most often be going up against will determine which tank type. EM damage is usually harder to tank with shields as most T1 ships have 0% base EM resist and around 50% base EM armor resist. Likewise most T1 ships have very low Explosive armor resists and significantly higher shield explosive resists.

Other considerations:
-mid slots use
-----propulsion mods
-----warp disruptors
-----capacitor rechargers
-----Ewar

-low slots use
-----damage mods
-----Overdrive injectors
-----Powergrid upgrades
-----CPU upgrades

Your intended use of the ship can sway the decision as well.

The above are just some examples and not a comprehensive list.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2016-05-28 16:43:28 UTC
Erfbek VorPatril wrote:
okay ill give those a read and see what i come up with. regarding leaving the corp its just i dont see them online often they tend to be mining and i was just interested in exploring xD

If what your corp is doing does not fit in with your playstyle you should not be afraid to look for one that does. Also it's rare to find just the right corp on your first try. So look around for something that suits you better.

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Wombat65Au Egdald
R I S E
#17 - 2016-05-28 17:08:31 UTC
Erfbek VorPatril wrote:
okay ill give those a read and see what i come up with. regarding leaving the corp its just i dont see them online often they tend to be mining and i was just interested in exploring xD



Talk to a corp called Eve University. It is a player run corp in the game which specialises in teaching new players how to play Eve. They run special training classes for their members and arrange group activities in the game for members to practice and get experience at Eve. They also offer some free ships, and skillbooks to their members, and offer other ships and modules at cheap prices to their members.

There are other player corps in the game that do similar things for new players, but Eve University is one of the best known corps for teaching new players.

Since you say you want to own a Stratios, there are some things you should understand about it. It is an "exploration" ship, intended to find and explore hidden locations in the game. It has some fighting abilities, but it is not the strongest cruiser ship for fighting. A Stratios costs more than many basic battleships, even though it is much smaller than a battleship. I just checked the prices inside the game, A Stratios costs at least 218 million isk, in some areas of the game it costs a lot more than that. You can buy a basic battleship for around 190 million isk.

If you're going to use a Stratios to explore, you'll need to know HOW to explore. Try reading this page, written by Eve University.
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Exploration

It is possible to earn enough isk in hisec to buy a Stratios, but it will take time for your skills and knowledge of the game to improve. Right now it will look like it will take a very long time to earn enough isk to buy the Stratios, but as your get better at Eve, you'll earn more isk and be able to get that ship sooner.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#18 - 2016-05-28 17:09:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Erfbek VorPatril wrote:
okay ill give those a read and see what i come up with. regarding leaving the corp its just i dont see them online often they tend to be mining and i was just interested in exploring xD
Signal Cartel would probably be a good corp for you to try, they're very much about exploration and a good bunch of folks.

This is where to start if you want to look into joining them

@ISD folks, while I'm aware that recruiting of any kind isn't allowed in NCQA, I'm not associated with Signal Cartel; my intent is give Erfbek an option and point him in the direction of a corp that shares his interests, if the link breaks the rules please remove it.

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Delegate
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2016-05-28 21:01:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Delegate
Wombat65Au Egdald wrote:
Since you say you want to own a Stratios, there are some things you should understand about it. It is an "exploration" ship, intended to find and explore hidden locations in the game. It has some fighting abilities, but it is not the strongest cruiser ship for fighting. A Stratios costs more than many basic battleships, even though it is much smaller than a battleship. I just checked the prices inside the game, A Stratios costs at least 218 million isk, in some areas of the game it costs a lot more than that. You can buy a basic battleship for around 190 million isk.

If you're going to use a Stratios to explore, you'll need to know HOW to explore. Try reading this page, written by Eve University.
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Exploration

It is possible to earn enough isk in hisec to buy a Stratios, but it will take time for your skills and knowledge of the game to improve. Right now it will look like it will take a very long time to earn enough isk to buy the Stratios, but as your get better at Eve, you'll earn more isk and be able to get that ship sooner.


Using Stratios for exploration is a bad idea (outside of hi-sec at least). You would be better off with Astero - it warps faster, it moves faster and it aligns faster. Stratios is a cloaky hunter vessel, despite its relic/virus bonuses. And its price is ok given how good that ship is.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2016-05-29 00:09:00 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Erfbek VorPatril wrote:
okay ill give those a read and see what i come up with. regarding leaving the corp its just i dont see them online often they tend to be mining and i was just interested in exploring xD
Signal Cartel would probably be a good corp for you to try, they're very much about exploration and a good bunch of folks.

This is where to start if you want to look into joining them

@ISD folks, while I'm aware that recruiting of any kind isn't allowed in NCQA, my intent is give Erfbek an option and point him in the direction of a corp that shares his interests; if the link breaks the rules please remove it.

I am not involved with signal cartel and therefore can not recruit for them and would have told the OP the same thing. Also you can get involved with signal cartel without joining them as far as I understand. Or at the very least their members could direct you to public channels that they and players like them hang out in.

So I don't see any issue with you making the recommendation for an explorer type to reach out to them.

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