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... if anything that video showed the weakness of carriers.


showing just how hard it is to volly ships with them



however yes a carrier with support fighting 1-2 sub capitals at a time is going to do very very well.


however you can do this same thing better in nados and talos. and in a real fight carriers are kinda meh at best

hell you could do this same thing with the old carriers usign sentries and it was more effective


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i would say the scan res on fighters should be lowered to that of at most a cruiser but like i said carriers are far less effective at this than they used to be


bringing back the watch list would also solve this issue

why even bother killing the fighters just jam them. even an unbounded jam has a high chance of landing

Has anyone noticed that the one constant in all these carrier videos is the Networked Sensor Array?

Why don't we just discuss bringing that module down a bit? Maybe 900% scan res bonus is too much?

Before we start ranting about taking the nerf bat to the entire ship, I think we should look at adjusting the module that gives them their current crazy lock times.

Not true at all. It shows you have nothing to do with carriers or capital.

Oh god, a ship now exists that can counter the Frigate Menace and it's not other Frigates. Time to go riot in Jita.

Oh noes, a garmur can't solo a carrier? WHAT A TRAVESTY!

The problem with the Carriers ATM is the 30k Alpha from the Rocket Ability which applies perfectly to everything with 100m signature radius, 30k Alpha (its 12k Alpha to frigates) basically one-shots everything in the game that isn't a max tank fit of that class, even 8km/s snaked/linked maledictions get one shot by this ability, which is disgusting honestly. There should be a purpose of Sub-Capital ships, Why bring anything Subcapital when a Carrier with a few Omnis is better anti-support than everything subcapital by a 4-5x margin, its like 3x Tornado with 700% bonus to tracking and double rate of fire bonus, strapped onto a ship with 900k EHP and sits 2500km away perma aligned to station, or on top of a citadel (yes, it can get that cancerous). Also these carriers after insurance cost less than a T3 Cruiser.

Said best here. What's worse is that they were told over and over that it was going to be a problem. I sometimes honestly wonder whether the devs actually play the game.

ok i find this topic absolutely funny cause up intell now carriers were a waste of time money and training cause all they were where spider tanking at best subpar dps or triage outside of those three things the use for them was maybe ratting but i could complete that faster with shield vindi sooo basically useless


NOW i do aghree they are a tiny bit op to SUBCAPS that are not BS because yes it does track you and yes it should **** on your face but you should have a chance to run that being said the sig radius of the fighter missles should be increased to hit frigates less but as its a heavy missle hitting cruisers like it does is plenty fine

the thing you people dont realize is these are CAPITAL SHIPS they are not ment to be taken down by a **** ant rag tag group of 5 or 6 cruisers like they were easily killed with before i use to watch my buddy gulnar SOLO a carrier in a blackops no that is not eve close to balanced or fair

carriers now are alot more useful and finalyl feel like a capital ship should be they need to be tweaked but otherwise right where they should be as they have MULTIPLE counters if you bring a proper fleet my 10 man fleet on test has killed 25 caps of ours testing these fleets anything under 10 ships should not kill a capital inless brought for that purpose to counter a regular carrier you bring two falcons or **** even just one we brought a jamgu 3 megas two guardians and a few bombers with the jamgu the fighters barely got a shot off ever as they only have sensor strenght of 4 soo and the carrier pilot died

episode two we took another 10 man fleet to fight another one of our carriers on test this time we brought two basis a brick huginnand 7 extended caracals with a mix of light missles and heavy missles as the carrier launched drones we locked them hugin web paint we blapped a whole squadron in about 7 seconds and they couldnt break none of our dps

episode three we took it a step further to test and brought a falcon so a squishy jams but we fit it for pvp shield style with our pair of basis and our shield extended resist fit caracals we killed him yet AGAIN with only sustaining one loss

so yes carriers can easily be killed just have to bring a 6 to 10 man fleet to do the job instead of a two man fleet like before


so now lets compare this to a true navy vessal a aircraft carrier in real life is really only countered by submarines or a massive fleet due to the simple fact they have such powerful anti frigate/dessi/missle weapons that nothing can get withing 150 plus miles of strikeing distance without being locked and destroyed ontop of them ALWAYS haveing aircraft in the air .....so yes it is living true to what a carrier should be


AND on a side note a fully buffer respictable carrier fit gets dropped in no time by two to three dreads and it wont even scratch the dreads which is a CARRIER COUNTER IN small gang warefare carriers are very very powerful and in large scale warfare carriers are actually pretty week and used as pretty much fleet support to kill super fighters or enemy subcaps IF they can before there fighters die....NOW super carriers and titans are a completely differant story so


all in all carriers need adjusted SLIGHTLY but not that much cause they are a capital and should destroy fleets that are not properly suited to killing a damn capital but anything above cruiser **** even hacs you cannot one voli if they are plated/extended and resist fit on top of that and i can prove this as i have carrier 5 and light/fighters 5 so i put out max dmg with them and still cannot one shot a caracal outta shields if it is properly buffer fit to tank said ships...SIMPLY put DONT FIGHT CARRIERS INLESS YOU FIT FOR THE JOB people are just pissed that the day of frigates rapeing anything is slowly being gone so you will have to spend isk to kill big ****

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