EVE General Discussion

No, my point was even if you are undocking, while training those skills you often feel like you aren't going anywhere as your ability to fly different ships, use different modules, etc. is not changing. You are equating "boring" with "not undocking" and that does not have to be the case. Boring can also mean undocking in the same ship day-after-day for 4 months. Whereas now in that for months your options in terms of ships, modules, etc. will be increasing.

No, it just sucked. Learning skills were bad. I recall when I first started I did learning skills in fits and starts because they were just damn boring. Yes, in the long run it would give me an advantage, but being stuck in the same ship with the same limited options for modules for weeks on end blew donkey wang. It added very little to the game in terms of content and fun and, IMO, reduced the latter. Among my friends that I was playing with at the time, they were even slower at doing learning skills because they were so boring.

Was it lowering the bar? Okay, yeah you had one less thing to sit down and figure out/realize, but it was a good thing in that it removed a deliberately boring aspect of the game. I recall the silly debate on this, many of the arguments boiled down to, "I had to do that horrible grind, and everyone else should have to do it too." A perverse sort of misery loves company argument. Once I realized I'd get those SP back in terms of free SP I could allocate anywhere I chose I was fine with it as not only was I no worse off, it would open up yet another class of ships for me to use (logistics).

The best argument so far was CCP saying the only source of SP would be training....now that is not true. And AFAIK, 1 guy has pointed that out. If others had and asked CCP to explain why this shift in SP is happening that might have been better than arguing that people are going to log in every day because well...10,000 SP.

The notion of opportunity cost and diminishing returns just don't seem to matter anymore. Of course, if I were to argue I'm mining my own minerals and they cost nothing people would fall all over themselves to tell me how wrong I am....probably many of the people arguing against the daily XP boost. As people train skills first they'll do the "core" skills, ones that make all ships better. Then they'll start training non-core skills that are widely trained...and then finally skills because...well crap I have paid for the account so I might as well train basket weaving to 5.*

And lighten up a bit, don't take sarcastic comments literally.

*Yes, I know there is no skill for basket weaving; the point is some skills are only helpful in rare contexts.

Since when do we need an excuse to shoot ventures?

I'm afraid you're confused, friend. CCP created the mining permit as an excuse to BUMP miners, no one in EVE ever, under any circumstances, needs an excuse to shoot someone else. Kill mails are all the reason you ever needed to pop a noob venture, or nuke an empty freighter, whatever you want! \o/ The Universe is yours capsuleer.

Note: I shoot all ventures on sight without checking for a permit because the Savior of Highsec has made it clear on his blog that he doesn't like them and feels they're inappropriate ships for use in his domain.

Then move out of the class 6 wormhole. If it is that much of a PITA, then leave. Problem solved.

"CCP created the mining permit ..."

LOL now I've heard everything. The more CODE gibberish like this morsel of bait I read the more respect I lose for the lot of you.

Come on now... Ya'll can do much better than that. You're losing your touch.

(I sincerely hope I am misunderstanding your post)

Who said the people on Reddit liked this idea?

I went Googling around for CCP's form 10-X just for giggles and found this on the front page. I see on that page a wall of mostly "Please don't do this." The search string is "ccp games form 10-k" without quotes, if you want to check my work.

Googling for "eve online dailies" (again, no quotes) gets this thing. The topic has post upon post of "Please don't, this is a terrible idea."

even if only a Miner II and a Scrap Metal falls out, it's still profit. Because you don't suicide anything. It is not a snowflake thing, but it is splitting hairs. If you've been on the forums long enough, you come to realize anything you do griefs Mr. Entitled.

In this case, Kaybella's right tho.

I do this miner ganking thing for like 2.5 years or something. I don't gank haulers or bling mission ships, usually only miners. While the not every single gank is ISK positive, the whole profession is. There is much more to it than the single gank which is usually just the starting point where everyone gets angry and then stuff happens and more ships explode.

And what about the whiny carebears? We can simply ignore them since they will always whine no matter if it is profitable or not:

If it is profitable:
They will call for nerfs because it is "easy ISK" and cheap catalysts should never be able to kill a ship which is more expensive than they are. etc..

If it is not profitable:
They will say this is simply greif play because nothing can be gained by doing it.

No, she's really not.

Kaybella could not be less correct.


I honestly can't believe some people really think EVE works this way...