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RLML vs HAM pvp

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Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-05-23 06:54:28 UTC
What would be a better route to go? i like rlml but the reload time is pretty tedious and they dont seem to work too great against anything above a destroyer, so would hams be a better choice, and will they still apply pretty well against smaller targets too?

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W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-05-23 09:48:02 UTC
rapid launchers are the only one worth using (rlmls and rhmls), at least for pvp (assuming you dont fly drakes or similarly silly stuff)
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-05-23 09:51:51 UTC
i fly similar silly stuff Big smile

Im talking about a pvp tengu

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W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-05-23 10:11:02 UTC
can do both, but hams are better on that ship


[Tengu, new100mn]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script
Imperial Navy Small Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 25
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Navy Cap Booster 400 x15
Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Assault Missile x1500
Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile x2980
Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x2980
Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile x6445
Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile x1500
Nanite Repair Paste x252

just use that (with snakes and skirmish links as baseline)
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-05-23 10:17:01 UTC
This is the fit i use, as said the rlml's didnt really do well against anything destroyer and above which was sad :( ill try the hams on this and see if its better.

Ill give your fit a try also as i like the 100nm, so thanks

[Tengu, Lan Wang's Tengu]
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
True Sansha Reactor Control Unit

Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Thukker Large Cap Battery

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Light Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-05-23 11:53:22 UTC
HAMs have their place, especially in extended t3 brawls.

RLMLs are better for alpha in big fleets or small skirmishes
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#7 - 2016-05-24 19:01:57 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
This is the fit i use, as said the rlml's didnt really do well against anything destroyer and above which was sad :( ill try the hams on this and see if its better.

Ill give your fit a try also as i like the 100nm, so thanks

[Tengu, Lan Wang's Tengu]
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
True Sansha Reactor Control Unit

Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Thukker Large Cap Battery

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Light Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst



Jesus, what did you try to do with that? Fight a Bhaalgorn or what oO
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-05-24 19:08:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
i like trying to solo things out numbered Lol it died lol but the best fun ive ever had with a ship

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

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Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#9 - 2016-05-24 19:43:50 UTC
You have about 100 cap/s more than you need
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-05-24 20:03:56 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
You have about 100 cap/s more than you need


the x-type drains the cap down quite a bit

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

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Valkin Mordirc
#11 - 2016-05-25 03:48:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Whats the DPS on it?

It would seem at a glance that you probably wouldn't be able to break a tank quickly enough.


EDIT:

Osmium says it 371/225 with realoads with furies. I would let go of some cap to add some damage in. Try and at least get to 500ish if you cut out the two power relays you are still cap stable and if you drop a PDS as well your cap life is 5mins which is plenty time to burn one or two ships and gtfo.


Honestly with your idea it might be better to run a Blastgu rather then rapid lights or a hamgu.
#DeleteTheWeak
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#12 - 2016-05-25 04:44:19 UTC
Jeez. 225 DPS, 664m/s, tanks 1433 omni. Everything on there is pimped but the scram. If you're that worried about cap why not go with ancillary boosters? Even this would be a step in the right direction:

[Tengu, Lan Wang's Tengu tweaked]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
True Sansha Reactor Control Unit

Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Dark Blood Warp Scrambler
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Sure, you have to survive the reload but now you have superior gtfo power. Pimp the scram for more range so you can use it defensively as you run away if need be. Still not exactly the fit I'd go with but damage is way up, speed is way up, reps are almost the same if you run both boosters, but realistically you only want one at a time anyhow. Cap stability is still, umm, stable.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-05-25 05:26:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Whats the DPS on it?

It would seem at a glance that you probably wouldn't be able to break a tank quickly enough.


EDIT:

Osmium says it 371/225 with realoads with furies. I would let go of some cap to add some damage in. Try and at least get to 500ish if you cut out the two power relays you are still cap stable and if you drop a PDS as well your cap life is 5mins which is plenty time to burn one or two ships and gtfo.


Honestly with your idea it might be better to run a Blastgu rather then rapid lights or a hamgu.


osmium is correct i get 371 iirc with lights and unable to kill anything above a destroyer, with switching to hams it gets to 421,

if i remove a power relay for a ballistic it puts my cap over by 11, so i would have to either sacrafice the crystal omega for a cap implant or run without for 420dps?

[Tengu, Lan Wang's Tengu]
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
True Sansha Reactor Control Unit
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Thukker Large Cap Battery
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

ps. i dont take credit for the original fit, it was modified Laztel version (my bad for the non faction scram)

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Valkin Mordirc
#14 - 2016-05-25 06:38:01 UTC
I don't have EFT handy at the moment, but I would try and get your dps over 500 at least, preferably I would want around 600.


When you roam, are you bringing boosts with you? If you do it would allow you to supplement your tank for more deeps. If not I would say let the fit take a bit more neut pressure in exchange for some damage.

I wouldn't recommend switching out the omega, it's more beneficial honestly.


I think Mr Hyde has a Blaster Tengu that you might want to try out.


As for the 100mn I would recommend having links, you won't be able to out run MWD cruisers and they'll have the speed advantage on you.


If I can remember I'll trying a build a tanky tengu and see if I can't figure something out. But Honestly I think you would need to cut some of your cap.
#DeleteTheWeak
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-05-25 08:02:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
when i roam solo i dont use links

so changed the rigs out of that fit and switched the power relays, i now hit for 647 dps but cap recharge goes from 85gj/s down to 5gj/s recharge, even a small neut is going to neut that out if i run the x-type? (not really done much theory crafting before)

i like asb's but if im roaming for long periods then cap charges become an issue.

[Tengu, Lan Wang's Tengu]
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
True Sansha Reactor Control Unit
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Thukker Large Cap Battery
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

thanks for all the iput soo far folks :)

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#16 - 2016-05-26 23:36:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Syrias Bizniz
Lan Wang wrote:
when i roam solo i dont use links

so changed the rigs out of that fit and switched the power relays, i now hit for 647 dps but cap recharge goes from 85gj/s down to 5gj/s recharge, even a small neut is going to neut that out if i run the x-type? (not really done much theory crafting before)

i like asb's but if im roaming for long periods then cap charges become an issue.

[Tengu, Lan Wang's Tengu]
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
True Sansha Reactor Control Unit
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Thukker Large Cap Battery
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

thanks for all the iput soo far folks :)



What you are looking at is the "over" cap. The stuff you have in excess of what your modules use if they perma run.
If you get neut pressure, you will still have that sick base regeneration of about what, 100 cap/s at peak?
You just also use that cap per second. That doesn't mean you're running dry, it simply means you might have to skip some cycles. Even with a Heavy Neut to your face you'd still tank hella lot of dps.

Edit: Also, HG Crystals, Links + Strong Bluepill and maybe a Deadspace Invul for absolutely ******** active tank recommended :V
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-05-27 11:33:54 UTC
cheers for highlighting that, dont really do theory crafting so the above makes sense now, cheers again :)

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*