EVE General Discussion

reddit kinda sucks just now, just seems to be a big bee war circle jurk

Its been that way for at least six months, maybe longer. I swear the moderators must be dead and nobody has told reddit yet, because a lot of the posts violate the little burb on the side that has the rules for posting on reddit.

There are some fundamental differences between the two that make comparison impossible and illogical. Primarily:

Reddit: the 'downvote to oblivion' mechanic
EvE-O: the 'must be a current paying subscriber' mechanic

If it was about killing a player, they would have issue with newbies. Now "newbies" rolled by a player who already has been playing the game for X years but the actual newbie who never played EVE and don't know anything about it. Killing a rat is something you CAN do from day 1 and WILL do from day 1. Killing someone else's ship is something you CAN do from day 1 but only MIGHT do from day 1 especially for a real new player. Once this problem is seen, you can go to the next one. The current perception is causing problem because people feel forced to log in and kill their one rat. I think the people who think that have issue but I can;t do much about it. On the other hand, the same perception of "must do it" would still be there if it required a PvP kill but at the same time, some people just can't pull it off because they lack the actual players kill to do it. If the player comes on the forum and ask for advice, there is a few possible answer he might get but not all of them will really help him.

1- Git gud. This won't help.

2- You just have to shoot your alt. This will lead to a discussion who might lead said newbie to not only think he NEED to do his daily kill but he also NEED a second account to make it efficiently.

3- Actual PvP advice. Now he's on the good way but there is no guarantee it will be enough. Many people forget what it means to be a newbie now and how things are different when your support skill are not done yet for example.

Making the first one require to only kill a rat is the logical start if they intend to expand on this because it is effectively the most accessible thing you can do in the game. You actually need to put some effort into it if you want to have a character who is absolutely unable to kill a rat. Not being able to kill a player on the other hand only require you to lack something that newbie actually do lack, player skill/knowledge. The rest will follow as long as they don't forget to expand on it. There isn't any guarantee of it because :CCP: but the path is there.

Then why respond?

EVE-O became unusable due to its over-the-top moderation and outdated rules (ie, no killmails allowed ). It's actually rare to come here and see a front page with no locked threads on it.

Your cause, being from Test and starting this Reddit thread, is "look how awesome Reddit is yo". You've been championing it throughout this whole thread.

to a point,
theres considerable less put-pants-on-head-set-pants-on-fire type raving about sociopaths been happening
and more focused (admittedly heated and bitter) discussion on mechanics ,balance and game-play direction.
in short we are giving them less reasons to lock and/or incinerate threads than previous months.

its less fun of late.

And yet on EVE-O, you have more chance of being able to voice your opinion if it does not fit the line of thinking of the loud majority like you absolutely can't on R/EVE because your post gets downvoted into deletion within minutes.

You could always post your kill mails in the sub forum that allows them... There is no need for the main page to be littered with threads about personnal/corp/alliance attack and spin/propaganda. The real issue is people aren't happy about having to post their **** in the right sub forum.