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[WH] Citadel's Corporate Hangars

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Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#21 - 2016-05-24 20:34:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Hatshepsut IV
Tatsuj Khan wrote:
If any senior asks, I'll let the documented evidence speak for itself. forsot and fellow director Beta Page serves as a prime example of the potential risk posed by NoobMan's suggestion to change citadel functionality.


Ok. Enough is enough.

Myself and forsot didn't agree on much, one thing we did though was you. Hence why you were removed from the only actual wormhole Corp you have had any experience with. Why were you removed?

I'm glad you asked. It was becuase you were a hopelessly clueless bear. You spent most of your time losing stratios in some forsaken corner of a chain rather then taking part in the group.

Directors might take my stuff isn't a good reason to cripple ease of Corp role maintainance. An area of the game I might add you have zero experience in. Running/being a director in a wormhole Corp is a mostly thankless chore which drains away from time to enjoy the game.

Lastly stfu with the calling out forsot. He may be allergic to uppercase letter F but the stuff your claiming knowledge and experience of happened far after you were removed from Corp/alliance.


P.S. Your stratios is happier with us anyways.

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Samsara Nolte
Untethered
#22 - 2016-05-25 07:28:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Samsara Nolte
NoobMan wrote:
I've thought and talked about this a lot.

I really miss having all my ships in one SMA that ll of my Alts have access too. I wish we could take the new Access groups and make our own storage groups. But I don't think CCP would be keen on this idea, from a technical side of how items are owned and a weird shared ownership mine not jive with legacy code. From a game design IDK if this is what they want either.



I would be for something like an "Opt in" (kinda like high sec awox corp settings) for corps to allow directors to pull from personal item hangars/ SMAs. This idea would be completely foreign for the rest of Eve but wormholers would likely really appreciate it.

Now spend development time on a feature only a small part of Eve would use is a whole different story.

I would love to hear others opinions on this topic and if there is a better solution!


I´m with you on this -
Everybody living in wormhole space has more than one alt and having to dock to give a ship from one personal storage to another is a gonna be a major pain.
It takes time - which in a lot of situation isn´t a vast resource.
and through the need to dock you are giving intel away (the number of chars you have available) not to mention the need to fly all the way back to your Zitadel from wherever you are to do this.
the only way to circumvent this is to own every ship multiple times for every alt and that is quite an inconvenience the logistic alone for that is giving me nightmares.
And complex Planetary Interaction setups over more than one character are gonna be major pain - having to circulate the goods between chars especially if Chars are on the same account.

So acces groups managable by the owner of the storage is a necessity for wormhole-space !

I´m also a strong advocate for acces to all personal Hangar (Give and Take) for Director level Corp leadership.
Personal Hangars prevent theft by other members but the corp assets need protection too.
Some of us are heving huge stacks of corp owned ships for generall use of the members in their POS´es.
At the moment a thief has to fly those ships assets out of your hole which takes time and furhtermore the absence of a Direktor or POS Manager -
Under the Zitdel mechanic everybody with acces to corp assets can steal "in broad daylight" by simply moving the assets from the corp storage to his own and you have no chance to get your assets back.
They are in arms reach in the personal hangar of the thief but forever inaccesibel - we don´t even get the chance to shoot at him during transit.

And even if we dont assume a thief is at work - how often have you misplaced something because you were under stress because there was somehting to kill or you were distracted by a TS conversation or the like.
It can happen by accident that corp ships get thrown into the wrong hangar - is a corp now supposed to wait to get their Closing BS back if a member screwed something like this up -
might not be a consideration if this member is active everyday - and as desirable as this would be - the reality is that even we wormhole corps have members that aren´t that often online - and having to wait weeks to get such an important ship like Closer BS back is an inconvenience.

And here i haven´t even touched the matter of Billions of assets that might be left behind from people that quit eve - for whatever reason.
We can´t bring those assets out without acces to the member hangars - and the prospect of such things laying indefinetly around in your Zitadell
therefore the value and incentive to destroy Zitadells that are there for extended periods of time is permantly increasing somthing i doubt seems desirabel for a lot of reasons especially for the smaller corps.

And the argument mentionened agianst this - The fear of being stolen from Director/Leadership is laughable.
I mean why should they do this - they invested time and effot in the creation of their corp and doing that is most likely the fastest way to destroy the corp.
So, If you have to fear that you are clearly in the wrong corp -and i´m honestly wondering how such a corp that steals form its members on a regular basis is able to keep on living.
I for one as a member would leave them in a heartbeat .

And what you seem to miss is the fact that there might arise a situation in which the assets have to be evacuated if you aren´t online when this happens nobody is able to safe them -
so it increases the need to be online on a regular basis for the corp members if they wish to preserve their assets.
A need that is greatly reduced when you know others might be able so save your riches.

EDIT - some spelling and grammar mistakes
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2016-05-26 01:20:59 UTC
NoobMan wrote:
I've thought and talked about this a lot.

I really miss having all my ships in one SMA that ll of my Alts have access too. I wish we could take the new Access groups and make our own storage groups. But I don't think CCP would be keen on this idea, from a technical side of how items are owned and a weird shared ownership mine not jive with legacy code. From a game design IDK if this is what they want either.

I would be for something like an "Opt in" (kinda like high sec awox corp settings) for corps to allow directors to pull from personal item hangars/ SMAs. This idea would be completely foreign for the rest of Eve but wormholers would likely really appreciate it.

Now spend development time on a feature only a small part of Eve would use is a whole different story.

I would love to hear others opinions on this topic and if there is a better solution!

this is something ive wanted for years in other aspects of eve life tbh.
the best solution would be to allow people to setup custom groups that have access to shared assets.
things like wallet, station hangars ect would just be shared with any characters you give access to a particular shared hangar/wallet no matter where you are docked.

i suspect this would require a lot of underlying code change/enhancement but it would be excellent.

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Pretagos Omilas
Made in Wormhole Space
#24 - 2016-05-26 23:38:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Pretagos Omilas
While I like the idea of setting up access groups for individual personal hangars, what stops you on using the rented offices corp hangars as you're using the SMA hangars of a POS right now? Having each one or more 'shared items' and 'shared ships' corp hangar?

Also with your wasting time docking up problem... first of all: boo hoo; second: make save spot, warp to it and jettison the stuff you wanna move around.
Domin Ique
Team Pizza
Good at this Game
#25 - 2016-05-27 15:48:40 UTC
Some good ideas here.

One thought I've had would be to increase the Corporation Divisions from 7 to ... infinite? Then you can assign each member (or multiple members) to a unique div. that only they can access. Then whether you're living in a citadel or a POS you and your alts have (secure) access to your div only. Some divs could be set to Director- only, public, etc.
Net7
MyLeftArmy
#26 - 2016-06-11 22:53:05 UTC
holy **** on a shingle...

Literally setup my first citadel yesterday, was looking for a shared hanger and item space...

it doesn't exist...

Guess POS's are only gone for large corps, smaller corps who have a shared ship hangar so anyone can use any (corp fit) ship they are capable and of course the corp hanger section for items like ammo, mods, ect that anyone can use...

le sigh~ please fix CCP
unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2016-06-12 07:15:51 UTC
Net7 wrote:
holy **** on a shingle...

Literally setup my first citadel yesterday, was looking for a shared hanger and item space...

it doesn't exist...

Guess POS's are only gone for large corps, smaller corps who have a shared ship hangar so anyone can use any (corp fit) ship they are capable and of course the corp hanger section for items like ammo, mods, ect that anyone can use...

le sigh~ please fix CCP

Try opening a corp office and voila there it is.
The hangers in the corp offices in citadels can have ships and items.
It needs more features though and more spit and shine people are used to from stations.

No local in null sec would fix everything!

Pretagos Omilas
Made in Wormhole Space
#28 - 2016-06-12 10:32:55 UTC
You have to "Rent an Office" and then you get the same crop hangars as in a station.
Kines Pavelovna
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2016-06-24 01:21:35 UTC
Pretagos Omilas wrote:
While I like the idea of setting up access groups for individual personal hangars, what stops you on using the rented offices corp hangars as you're using the SMA hangars of a POS right now?


As long as everyone is in the same corp, nothing. Set the rental fee to zero. Rent the office. Set a hangers access to public.

If I remember right this was analogous to how it worked in POS's since you couldn't have an out of corp alt access an SMA (Is this true? I don't fully recall)

Once, or if, contracts are fixed in citadels moving things to out of corp alts shouldn't be THAT irritating.
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