Market Discussions

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Thank you!

Good:
i sell my stuff almost emedeatly
Easy read i realy dont have to browse 300 crappy forum post. People make simple adds. WtB WtS... its realy easy on the eyes

Bad:
1. I sometimes make an add and then at one point i notice i have more stuff to add so i kinda feal like i should not spam another mail but wait an hour or 2. The border between spaming your adds and acting like a pro and postin something like a public advert is rather wierd. The mailing list lacks definition in that sense. Is it an almost like a stock exchange where i put my add up and somebody picks it up but extreamly serious place where only big boys play in trilions.

2. A lot of i like to call them ambulance chasers. If i wrote "WTS my corps 1000 units price 1.23 isk per corps location in Polaris. No transport" it means you do not mail me wiht "can you bring your price down" or "can you move them" I kinda figured from the start if location is listed that there is no transport and if you do not write "negotiable" that the price is NON negotiable. But i gues that i just me. Also those same ambulance chaser have rather wirde way of communicating...

3. "Sold." Basically multiplys spam. and mail blinking. But does nothing. But it is extramly important so you dont get mails 48 hours after you sold something. I have no way of making the mailing list without "Sold" and still make it functional


Ideas:

Mailing list, people in it, and everything connected to it should function like this in my opinion:

I post a mail.
you private mail me to make you a contract or that im talking 2 blocks or can i get half a block since maybe you are a weirdo that sells blocks of 1000 cap guns.
i post mail that is sold.

1. For this to work standard titles need to be intorduced.

For that Titles need to be normal and some ruling about them should be listed.
Title should have 2 parts: what and waht item written in a standard menaing

"WTS"/"WTB"/"SOLD" : "Item"

No !"#$%&//()=?*+'- ONLY ":" and "," for separation of what and separation of items in what items and none of those "re: re: RE:"

Proper Example:

"WTS: Playboys"

"SOLD:Playboys"

Example of stuff that iritates me with titles that just makes everithing look ******** and demenas the mailing list:
(Actuall examples of mail titles)

Re: Re: WTS Scourge Fury Heavy
T2 Modules (has only 3 not like 60 different types)
WTB T2 Frigates (Harpy) (why didnt you just wrote WTB Harpy we know you are buying more then 1 and we all know what a Harpy is Even if we dont it takes us 6 seconds to find out since you are gonna link it in the mail)

I dont think this needs to be regulated allot by any rules or threath of ban... but more like a guide how to make it look more nice and the nicer it looks the better it will work.

2.
The mailing list has to benefit me more then actually making a market sell order or just /jitabuy all i need. But in doing that you are in a direct conflict with the market. most of the people on it dont have problem selling their goods... they are just avoiding the broker. Like me So people should be explained that unless they are selling some really weird stuff you cant just /buy on market like

1000 battleships
10 tril trit
10 mill faction missiles and so forth

they should sell stuff at lover then market avarage or atleast lover then sell orders cause if you are looking for a market price and you are not offering somebody the service of "piling orders in whole region to only 1 station" i dont see purpose of it.


: This is just a random tought form me that came to my mind a couple of times.

If its purpose is avoiding tax spam of orders should be encouraged
If its purpose is piling order service so you dont have to redock 50 times or setup a buy order and wait why i see only t2 some cap bpcs and so forth.... where are the trit and t1 ships?
For each order made to mailing list there is 1 order less on market in a trade hub. since there is 1250 people on the mailing list the impact on the rest is rather substantial
Why are there no Piling WTB orders?

The first is something I would support fully, the SOLD post would make it obvious that you can disregard older mails with that product from said provider.

As a guess for why the WTB is not filling up, I would suggest that most marketeers have build a network with providers around them. Taking myself as example: a lot of products I sell, lay in stock at jita and can be ordered at will from my supplier-network. Thinking JIT, this can be done at depleting stocks or up-going markets (mostly those 2 occur at the same time, or just after each-other). Hereby I assume that other marketeers, corporations and alliances have arranged the same supply structure. Our producers will have continues buy orders on the trade hubs, so wont have problems receiving the goods necessary for production. So suppliers and marketeers wont use WTB, and the bigger buyers just order when needed within their network. This way a WTB order will only be set for orders not provided by the network of said persons or actors, so the number of those orders will be far lower as WTS orders. WTS orders can be overproduction, random production, dumping, speculation and more, so will have more chance to end up at the here discussed list.

Only thing I'd like is to have one standardized posting method, at least for titles, so its a little more organized, but i get thats kind of a pipedream.

thank you for your feedback i already notified him and he will pay attention in the future

+1


Maybe it's your case cause you already have a supplier network, for me it's most a matter of time, if I post, for example:

[WTB 10 x Random t2 ship at X/u ]
or
[WTB 500 x Random t2 module at Y/u]

then the constructors interested will start to try to fill order, and it takes time, and maybe when the time the provider has finished all items can occur 2 thinks:
- Someone has already filled the order, so the provider will need to start a WTS mail
- The market price has already changed, so the buyer can incur to loses

The solution to this can be something like this: someone says [WTB 500 x Item_A at X/u], then the interested providers can mail/convo him to say something like: "I can provide it in 2 weeks", and the price can be re-negotiated depending on the time required to fulfill the order. At the moment marketeer and provider came to an agreement then the provider can send another mail to list with [BOUGHT: 500 Item_A].

Sorry for the spelling mistakes I have probably committed.

Truely is an awesome service. YES it is REALLY moderated and there is no spam. Thank you so much for the time and effort you put in to make this such a great mailing list!

If you have not experienced bulk buying/selling, save up and make some purchases. It will evolve how you play eve.

Great service....has helped me tremendously.

I agree with the "WTS/WTB/SOLD/FILLED" standardization proposed earlier in headers.

It's certainly not too hard.

Market manipulators who get caught playing games in your mailing list should get immediate death penalty.

That is all

Bulk Trade is awesome. A must for any trader.