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[I-RED] Ishukone-Raata Release: Syndicate Stability Initiative II©

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Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2016-05-25 18:18:27 UTC
You can always count on the Caldari to be indignant someone figured out they were just in it for themselves. Our loss for not lining your pockets, ...right.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#22 - 2016-05-25 19:51:25 UTC
Yes, we're always in it for ourselves! Of course, somebody's bound to take the moral high ground as they ***** that they don't want to buy our product. It's simple: if the purchase of our product is in your best interest, do it. If it's not, don't.

The mental gymnastics some people perform to find a way to condemn honest moitte is spectacular and, frankly, exhausting to consider. Spend your time and energy forwarding your own business and get your nose out of ours.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Roirdan Bouchate
Ishukone-Raata Accounting and Transport
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#23 - 2016-05-25 22:24:41 UTC
Tabor Murn wrote:
It's good to see that the Caldari tradition of the ponzi scheme is alive and well.

Ayallah wrote:
You can always count on the Caldari to be indignant of someone figured out they were just in it for themselves. Our loss for not lining your pockets, ...right

Ayallah wrote:
I am sure it will be used for many things that contribute to your alliance's hold on the area

Interesting that so much unwarranted and ad hominem criticism is coming from two current/former Republic loyalists. Are things really so ****** in the Republic that you seek to demean the efforts of people far from the borders of the Republic to make yourself feel better? Truly a question to consider.

Anyhow, I suppose I am treading on the path of being unprofessional. My apologies.

To address your concerns that Operation Grey Steel™ is in no way beneficial to the local population of Syndicate please consider the fact that every structure erected under this project will have a considerable portion of staff hired locally. These employees will have quality education and training for their hired positions. They will be paid fair wages, and be entitled to various work benefits. They will bring their families with them. Their families will have access to high-quality education, entertainment, safety, and careers. They will have access to various social services that may not otherwise be readily available to them.

Try to tell me, then, if what I-RED is doing in Syndicate is completely and undeniably selfish. Try to tell me that Operation Grey Steel™ in no way, shape, or form beneficial to the people of Syndicate.

You will spend a lot of time trying to come up with an answer because there is none.

I-RED Board of Directors || Operation Grey Steel© Project Manager || Syndicate Stability Initiative II©

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2016-05-25 23:06:46 UTC
I do not know what is funnier, her pretending that it is honest and up front business not initially branded as a humanitarian investment, you continuing to cling to the idea that the people of Syndicate actually are going to benefit, or you jumping to attacking the Republic to convince others we are wrong about a bad investment.

You want people to pay for I-RED to move back to Syndicate. The line it will benefit the people of Syndicate because you will hire them for your citadels and ship crews is at best tone-deaf and certainly one of the dumbest lines ever to come out of a Caldari corporation's already typically lazy public relations. The fact you are selling it as humanitarian effort and as an investment speaks to what kind of investors you are looking for.

Stupid ones who don't ask questions. Good luck.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2016-05-25 23:19:20 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
The fact you are selling it as humanitarian effort and as an investment speaks to what kind of investors you are looking for.

Stupid ones who don't ask questions. Good luck.



Or smart ones who don't need to ask questions because we know how businesses operate in Syndicate.

Pirate

“When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.” -Guristas Proverb.

Roirdan Bouchate
Ishukone-Raata Accounting and Transport
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#26 - 2016-05-26 00:11:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Roirdan Bouchate
Ayallah wrote:
I do not know what is funnier, her pretending that it is honest and up front business not initially branded as a humanitarian investment, you continuing to cling to the idea that the people of Syndicate actually are going to benefit, or you jumping to attacking the Republic to convince others we are wrong about a bad investment.

You want people to pay for I-RED to move back to Syndicate. The line it will benefit the people of Syndicate because you will hire them for your citadels and ship crews is at best tone-deaf and certainly one of the dumbest lines ever to come out of a Caldari corporation's already typically lazy public relations. The fact you are selling it as humanitarian effort and as an investment speaks to what kind of investors you are looking for.

Stupid ones who don't ask questions. Good luck.

Okay, it is clear to me at this point that trying to reason with you with any ounce of civil, reasonable logic will be deflected, misconstrued, and spun around back at I-RED into some sort of attack or attempt at harassment. Feel free to keep up your senseless rabbling in this thread. If you decide to say something actually relevant I would be more than happy to have a civil discussion with you. Fair profits to you, and thank you for the good luck.

Oh, and just so you know, a business can both be beneficial to the company offering the business and the consumers utilizing the business's services. This is basic economics.

I-RED Board of Directors || Operation Grey Steel© Project Manager || Syndicate Stability Initiative II©

Roirdan Bouchate
Ishukone-Raata Accounting and Transport
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#27 - 2016-05-26 04:25:18 UTC
This is an announcement to inform the general public that an investment policy form has been published by the I-RED Board of Directors. Here you may find more detailed information regarding the rights of the investor and the supplier.

The original post has been updated with links to both the public dossier of investors for Operation Grey Steel™, and the investment policy form.

I-RED Board of Directors || Operation Grey Steel© Project Manager || Syndicate Stability Initiative II©

Haria Haritimado
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#28 - 2016-05-26 09:46:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Haria Haritimado
Roirdan Bouchate wrote:
This is an announcement to inform the general public that an investment policy form has been published by the I-RED Board of Directors. Here you may find more detailed information regarding the rights of the investor and the supplier.


Dear Mr. Bouchate,

Thank you for the release of the official policy regarding operation Grey Steel. A very necessary and appreciated step. I will contact you about a purchase after consultation with my CEO.

Sincerely yours,

Haria Haritimado
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Yorkstn
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#29 - 2016-05-27 06:13:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Yorkstn
Well, if it isn''t our old friends I-RED.

It has always baffled me how I-RED is still held on a pedestal by so many, even when their schemes are so obviously self-serving. This venture falls apart in several ways:

You claim to be doing this for the benefit of the Intaki. First of all, why do the Intaki need your help? The Syndicate does quite well as a neutral organization. The Syndicate has no interest in bowing down to the Caldari, otherwise they would have followed Mordu. Sure you may employ locals, but so do the existing Intaki stations in the region which you are attempting to directly compete with for business.

This brings us to the business problem. While healthy competition is great, you are attempting to use an inferior service to compete with an established player. You say you will pay dividends on citadel taxes, but how are you going to make money? Your citadels offer fewer services than the Intaki stations, and are less safe. The Astrahus cannot support a market and repairs tethered ships free of charge, eliminating most of the potential tax revenue. I suppose you could make a little off refining, but if you crank up the refinery taxes people will just use a station. Safety of assets is also a major concern. Living out of a citadel means someone is at the whim of I-RED and their access control of the station. Citadels are also able to be destroyed (Astras in particular are not difficult to blow up), which would then require an enterprising pilot to pay a fee to recover their assets.

Why would anyone use your citadels?



This venture sounds nice, but the numbers only makes sense as a scam. As previously mentioned, you want investors to pay for you to move back to Syndicate. Some may not agree with our line of business, but at least we are clear in our intentions and deliver a quality product.



Regardless of your entertaining "investment," welcome back to Syndicate. We look forward to our in-system reunion.

-Your friends in the Coreli Corporation
Roirdan Bouchate
Ishukone-Raata Accounting and Transport
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#30 - 2016-05-29 06:55:27 UTC
Yorkstn wrote:
It has always baffled me how I-RED is still held on a pedestal by so many, even when their schemes are so obviously self-serving. This venture falls apart in several ways:

If you really think about it, you can spin around just about anything anyone has ever done in the history of history to be self-serving. That food you eat and water you drink to help you stay alive? Ancestor's choke, how self-serving of you!

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You claim to be doing this for the benefit of the Intaki. First of all, why do the Intaki need your help? The Syndicate does quite well as a neutral organization. The Syndicate has no interest in bowing down to the Caldari, otherwise they would have followed Mordu. Sure you may employ locals, but so do the existing Intaki stations in the region which you are attempting to directly compete with for business.

Finally a valid piece of criticism. Thank you for this, and allow me to explain.

Why do they need our help? Well, you answered that for us - they don't. There is a difference, however, in needing versus wanting the benefits we can offer them. Some residents of Syndicate may want a piece of the cake, while others may not. We will gladly serve those who do, and will simply coexist in this big cluster with those who do not. It is that simple.

The Syndicate has no interest in bowing down to the Caldari? Well, I didn't know Sarpati required all his underlings to bow down to him for employing them, but here in I-RED we do not require our employees to submit to either I-RED or the Caldari State. They simply work for us for a wage, and they are free to keep their loyalties wherever they may wish (with certain exceptions, of course).

On the contrary, we are not directly competing with Syndicate stations for business. If you look at any starmap, you will notice that the systems we erected citadels in are in non-station systems. There is no local competition, unless you move a jump or two over.

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This brings us to the business problem. While healthy competition is great, you are attempting to use an inferior service to compete with an established player. You say you will pay dividends on citadel taxes, but how are you going to make money? Your citadels offer fewer services than the Intaki stations, and are less safe. The Astrahus cannot support a market and repairs tethered ships free of charge, eliminating most of the potential tax revenue. I suppose you could make a little off refining, but if you crank up the refinery taxes people will just use a station. Safety of assets is also a major concern. Living out of a citadel means someone is at the whim of I-RED and their access control of the station. Citadels are also able to be destroyed (Astras in particular are not difficult to blow up), which would then require an enterprising pilot to pay a fee to recover their assets.

As stated in my last point, the systems in which these citadels are constructed do not have direct local competition from Syndicate stations. Thus, there is no established player to compete with in the individual systems. Also bear in mind that construction is still ongoing within each citadel, and more services may be offered over time.

I agree that even still, the services we can offer via Astrahus-class citadels are limited. This is unfortunate, but we do not expect it to pose a problem, as we will also be collecting fees from the non-capsuleer residents who live aboard them and make use of them.

Safety is a concern, yes. However, in addition to the citadel's own defenses, we expect to be able to keep them relatively safe alongside our allies in the area. You do bring up a good point about asset recovery in the event that one does get destroyed...hmm, perhaps this is a service I-RED will agree to cover in the future; discussion amongst the I-RED board of directors is required.

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Why would anyone use your citadels?

This venture sounds nice, but the numbers only makes sense as a scam.

As previously mentioned, you want investors to pay for you to move back to Syndicate. Some may not agree with our line of business, but at least we are clear in our intentions and deliver a quality product.

Maybe a passerby just wants a place to dock up for the night? Or maybe a safe haven to temporarily escape gatecamps? There are plenty of reasons if you think hard enough.

If you say so.

I can assure you with complete confidence that I-RED in no way, shape, or form needed any financial assistance to move back to Syndicate. We more than have enough ISK to move on our own.

Also you don't think we deliver a quality product? I'm moderately offended!

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Regardless of your entertaining "investment," welcome back to Syndicate. We look forward to our in-system reunion.

-Your friends in the Coreli Corporation

Thank you for the welcome back. See you soon, friend.

I-RED Board of Directors || Operation Grey Steel© Project Manager || Syndicate Stability Initiative II©

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#31 - 2016-05-29 18:34:52 UTC
Yorkstn wrote:
Well, if it isn''t our old friends I-RED.

...


Regardless of your entertaining "investment," welcome back to Syndicate. We look forward to our in-system reunion.

-Your friends in the Coreli Corporation


Hmmm, not sure how to feel about this. I suppose I shall have to wait and see.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#32 - 2016-05-29 21:43:03 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
You can always count on the Caldari to be indignant someone figured out they were just in it for themselves. Our loss for not lining your pockets, ...right.

An insightful, accurate, and concise assessment if ever there was one.
Rinai Vero wrote:
Yorkstn wrote:
Well, if it isn''t our old friends I-RED.
Regardless of your entertaining "investment," welcome back to Syndicate. We look forward to our in-system reunion.
-Your friends in the Coreli Corporation

Hmmm, not sure how to feel about this. I suppose I shall have to wait and see.

Ms. Vero, I have no moral equivocations about it at all.

In this hunt I know exactly which dog to back.

Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#33 - 2016-05-30 00:21:48 UTC
I wouldn't bother trying to reason with some of these fools with civility and logic, Roirdan. Sometimes I think you treat people with much more respect than they deserve, old friend.

Cold Wind's Blade || Follow the I-RED Newsfeed & visit the I-RED GalNet site!

John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#34 - 2016-05-30 06:32:30 UTC  |  Edited by: John Revenent
So this is what it is like to watch from the otherside. A word of advice to Executor Hinkelmann and Mr. Bouchate, ignore the riff-raff, you only answer to your investors afterall.

I commend the board for their ability to stay true to the business ethics and fair trade practices of past. Good luck.

Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#35 - 2016-05-30 18:03:31 UTC
John Revenent wrote:
A word of advice to Executor Hinkelmann and Mr. Bouchate, ignore the riff-raff....

Let me congratulate you on your well deserved retirement John.

Being a relic isn't as bad as you might think, I have enjoyed my decline, and the perspective it gives.

But sage advice indeed,... ignore us.

I mean what possible harm could we cause.
Alex Hinkelmann
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#36 - 2016-06-01 18:53:04 UTC
To our investors, we appreciate your support in this initiative. The Ishukone-Raata Directorship has put together a detailed analysis of Operation Grey Steel, that will be released to you by mid-month of June.

It has also been decided by the directorship, that with our new path of industrialization and better business practices our financial division will be supplying the public with quarterly financial reports, in a effort to create transparency and forge better ties with our business partners. You can expect more information in regards to this in a future release.
Roise Sinulf
Doomheim
#37 - 2016-06-03 00:28:37 UTC
Proud to be part of this project, and I forward the encouragement and support from Ieze Svain, my CEO.


Roise Sinulf
Co-CEO,
On Sullen Wings
Roirdan Bouchate
Ishukone-Raata Accounting and Transport
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#38 - 2016-06-03 01:51:03 UTC
Roise Sinulf wrote:
Proud to be part of this project, and I forward the encouragement and support from Ieze Svain, my CEO.


Roise Sinulf
Co-CEO,
On Sullen Wings

We are honored to have you aboard our investor team, Miss Sinulf.

Additionally, I am pleased to announce that our tech teams have finished construction of a virtual reality space to host information, communication, and interaction for those interested in learning more about the Syndicate Stability Initiative II™ or those already participating.

Fluid router server name for this space is: SSI2

Thank you to those who have expressed interest and well-wishes to the initiative and its projects. We here at I-RED look forward to a brighter future for the people of Syndicate.

I-RED Board of Directors || Operation Grey Steel© Project Manager || Syndicate Stability Initiative II©

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