EVE General Discussion

I would argue that new players who will likely feel more compelled to use this mechanic are also logging in more frequently early on in their Eve “career” and that they also get bigger benefit. 100,000 SP will feel like a lot of SP to a guy with 1,000,000 SP than a guy with 100,000,000 SP. In the first case he’ll see a 10% bump in his SP, whereas the second guy will only see a 0.1% bump. Further, as the new player’s SP goes up he should feel less and less inclined to log in to get that “freebie”.

Further, the benefits of more SP is declining. That is, while more SP is better than less SP the marginal gain is decreasing over time. Yes, I have 135 million SP. But SP in say jump freighters is not helpful if I am in an interceptor fighting a guy in a similar ship or even a different ship. Similarly for my SP in fighters, large guns, and carriers. In that context they are all worthless in the benefit they provide in that context.

So over time a player should absolutely not feel compelled to log in just to do the dailies. If you do, maybe you should sit down and re-examine your life. Seriously. Try talking to somebody and see if maybe your priorities aren’t just a tad bit out of whack.

No, getting them all to V would take MONTHS, not a month. The second tier learning skills, IIRC, were like a rank 5 skill meaning each one would take a month--i.e. 5 months for just those. The tier 1 learning skills you might get to 5 across the board in a month.

Why you wouldn't undock until then...why? They provided no other benefit other than speeding up learning other skills. So you were no better at flying any ship after you finished them than you were once you finished them. In fact, your practical hands on knowledge would be less than if you had undocked.

So if this was true, those people were stoopid.

Edit: Nope, the second tier learning skills, clarity, eidetic memory, focus, logic and presence, were rank three skills meaning it would take 3 times longer to train all of these to level 5 than the first tier learning skills which were rank 1.

So, a rough calculation to get them all to 5 would be 4 months. Probably less, though because as you learned the learning skills you'd learn the subsequent levels slightly faster if you did by first learning all the tier 1 skills to level 1, then level 2, then 3 and finally 4. Then injecting the tier 2 learning skills and training a level or 2 of those. The point still remains, you'd spend at least 2 or 3 months training those skills which was boring and kind of sucked. Getting rid of them was a good thing, even though the whine from the veteran players was rather intense. Of course, when they got several million SP to put wherever they wanted they kinda shut up by and large.

Who care about the circumstance? Every time a player undock, that player is a potential target which mean content.

The problem is that you'd have to choose between learning the basic skills to get out and fight in a suitably-fit frig or learning the learning skills which would help you learn the frig skills faster.

So, you spend a week learning skills to get out and pvp...then a few weeks getting learning skills up...then get into a regular skill plan.

Or, you spend a week or two getting those first learning skills (and consuming 3d party knowledge) and 2 days getting those basic frigate pvp skills.

It was a legit issue, but it was kind of like waiting in line at the Post Office. You're grumpy and upset about while you're in line, but happy and laughing at the people behind you when you're walking out.

But it was similar in that it really had no affect on the people who were the most vocal complainers.

Jump clones said hi. At least to the ten or so people who thought "Maybe I'd better leave a clone with a properly fitted ship off in the middle of nowhere. You know, just in case."

How can killing 1 rat possibly be a pain in the ass?

Edit: Sorry Teckos.

And even after 5 months Joe will still have more SP in frigs, while Joe's so-called "more SP" is all in learning skills that literally take years to break even on. Bob apparently sucks at math.


Oh. In that case I misunderstood. I thought he was whining about the daily making him a target.

Me personally used to create plan for like 2-3 months, then using EveMon apply learning skills for which this plan can be finished faster, then just walk the road.
This way i was getting 'optimal' result for my current needs. Yes, i only got these skills up to IV if i'm not mistaken. But i have never waited just for them before i can go and train what i need. They were always helping me reach my target faster.

So nope. It WAS possible to use learning skills for the benefit and not as reason to not play the game. But as it was too complex thing to understand for many players CCP removed all this system. Like they said 'lowering the bar'.

Or people will just have a "Gotta catch 'em all!" attitude: remap, +5s, daily. It's the fastest way to hit whatever skill target they're trying to hit, short of plex/isk/injector.

Ask the obvious question of what the point of the daily is. If it's not to tell people to log in every day and do whatever the game tells them, what is it? You can mock peoples' self-control all you want, but that is the point by design.

We keep calling it a daily, and it's presented as a daily, but it's more like an energy/rested XP system: game tells you to log in daily to use all your rested XP for maximum efficiency.

Drugs for schizophrenia have, to put it politely, side effects of "diminished capacity." Whoever is being treated with them often end up dependent on someone else to take care of them.

Not so funny when you think about it.

The problem is that just like right now, some people were OCD about their SP gains and would not train anything until they got their "progress speed" up to the max one. While they could still technically do a lot of thing in space, your race was the deciding factor for your base skills so if you choose base on look for example, you might not have the tools to do something. I'm pretty sure not all race had prop jamming which would make PvP a hard sell until you train it.