Crime & Punishment

Goddamn Nitshe threads, they're everywhere.

*turns on the firehose*

And yes, 'ganking'........aka......'ambushing'....is PVP. Guns get shot, ships blow up.

Next the damn carebears will be saying dropping a few dozen bombs on a drunkfleet sitting on a gate isn't PVP either......

"Oooooh, they didn't have a chance, the bombs, the evil bombs!!!"

Damn right they didn't have a chance. That's the whole point.

Pretty much this.

So your ship doesn't have guns, big deal. You have situational awareness. When flying unarmed your PVP objective is to not explode. It's not like you can't do anything about it. Simply not being there when the people who want to widen your orifices arrive is a win. You just pvp'd. Each player in each given circumstance has to define for themselves what 'winning' means.

If you fly blind into dangerous areas or AFK anywhere in space you are pretty much dropping trow and offering content to anyone who feels the urge to create it. Hell, I've done it myself in the past several times... I flew haulers into lowsex and nullsex areas without scouting and got my shizzle pushed in. It was MY fault for not taking measures to ensure my own safety. The guys who sploded me, they were just dying for someone to shoot at and I gave it to them.

So, yeah... gankers are pvp pilots as well. You don't win by blowing their ships up, that's gonna happen anyways. You win the pvp battle with them by NOT DYING. Use your brain, use your tools and don't fly around with most of your worldly possessions on your person and you can do just fine. Derps who don't get this don't deserve sympathy, they deserve what they get.

you don't watch toddler boxing?!

My six year old would whine him to death easily, before he got half way across the ring.

I'm not ashamed to admit that I do, Ralph. We have closed groups but I have some influence. You're welcome to join us at any time.

In the late 90s ( possibly a bit earlier) there was a big movement to switch from traditional child raising to the new fad of no corporal punishment and positive reinforcement. Psychologists ( who ironically never raised kids) said positive reinforcement was better and that negative reinforcement could hurt the childs development.

This lead to many unintended negative consequences:

1) 18 year olds in the 1940s signed up to go to almost certain death to defend their country and those that live in it. 18 yr olds today need a safe place when their feelings get hurt.

2) The children, for the most part didnt learn consequences of their actions. They only knew if i do good i get rewarded, if i do bad or nothing, i dont get a reward. The realities of real life hit them hard. They whine and cry and complain and moan when they dont get their way because they dont understand how real life is which leads me to the next one.

3) Those young people today are the most confused of any generation that has come before them. They are confused by everything even their gender and made up a whole bunch of new gender types to try to describe it.

4) They want more for doing less. They dont understand things like hard work and ambition. Their version of ambition is protesting because mc donalds doesnt pay as good as skilled jobs.

Older generations are worried about the newer generations. Here in the US they havent been "hardened up" by their parents. So they get picked on at school, go home get a gun go to school and shoot a bunch of school mates. School shootings have went up exponentially the last 10 years.

That is the affect when you remove negative reinforcement from child development. Your not preparing them for life. Their is no controlled "hardening up". Then reality finally hits them and all kinds of crazy stuff happens.

Same with eve. You dont introduce them to the harshness of eve a little at a time and first high sec becomes carebear land then lowsec and finally null. Carebears get a foothold in highsec and they start their whining about "how hard it is". Under pressure CCP makes it easier and easier in high sec. Which only attracts more carebears. CCP becomes the enabling parent instead of the discipline teaching parent. Letting the kids dictate the rules.

Now only consensual pvp is allowed in high sec. No ganking, no scamming, and no stealing of loot. Wardecs must be approved by both parties.

The carebears push further. Now lowsec is consensual pvp only, but you are allowed to steal others loot. No pvp is allowed in highsec cause some carebears turn it on accidentally. No wardecs in highsec either as it interferes with carebears abilities to do mining and missions even when they arent involved. High sec pve now pays almost as good null with virtually no risk.


Little more time progresses. Now lowsec is just a version of high but with tougher rats. No pvp allowed here. Any ship lost in highsec for any reason is now automatically replaced as soon as you dock with all the fittings right down to the 1627 caldari scourge cruise missiles you had on board automatically. No need to file a ticket and wait. You can only take space in null from others by wardeccing them. cloaks are only allowed in W-space. Items on the market have lost a quarter of their value. You can now by a rattlesnake for about 375 million. T2 mods are almost considered as worthless as T1 now.

More time passes. Need more room for carebears. ALL K-space is no pvp. Instead we will have battleground systems for those that want to pvp. Fights in these systems will be fairly evenly matched based on ship types and sizes and skill levels. The winners will be rewarded with special currency that can used to by "pvp gear"...gear that has a bonus when used against other players but is almost completely ineffective against rats. W-space now has local pvp is consensual. Its the only place you can kill another player outside of battleground and only with their permission. The market has tanked. You can buy a rattlesnake for 100 million now. veldspar will bring you 0.05 isk per unit. Freighters are a mere 250 million.

to combat these problems CCP moved all complexes and sites to highsec. 11/30-20/30 DED plexes were added to lowsec. and 21/30-30/30 DED to null. The new plexes require special unique abilities to progress such as you have to sensor damping this rat, hack that can, use missiles on this while using lasers on that one. Meaning you need a group of specific ships that all do specific tasks at specific times to proceed. Its no longer called plexing, its now called raiding. The "raids" are static and you are allowed to do each one once a day .the rewards are very powerful pve ships and mods! Ships that have such bonuses as 100% damage bonus against sansha.

Welcome to WoW in space.


Catering and coddling of carebears in a pvp game is like catering and coddling of children, Its going to turn out bad for everyone later.

Talking about fire hoses, Mike, you need a good enema to clean those gerbils. Das hamsters are smelling like crap. Let them out occasionally to see some daylight. Uranus is too far from the sun to count.

Ganking not PvP; Run back to Jim Jones for a new mantra. Your current script is obsolete like Code.

then why are you here?
you're losing any credibility you ever had by being a zombie repeating the same crap over and over...

your description is way too accurate lol, it's almost scary

I feel ya Roenoky, always said you guys were girls blouses. Man of you to admit it.

I should add, I have no issue with the presence of 'ganking', it makes the game more interesting, and the risk of ganking makes people better pilots, for those that don't rage quit.

There's even a branch of 'ganking' that I would respect, that is targeting the 'soft-targets' of enemies in war-dec or the like to break their supply-chains; that's good tactics. I might not even consider that 'ganking' because it requires coordination, targeting and study of the enemy.

But this likely isn't the ganking that we're talking about.