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Oh you deployed to Iraq to fight terrorists and keep these scumbags in Iceland safe from extremists? Well you can keep your skill queue going but no matter what, you're dicked compared to all your buddies who could do their daily bs quests. WOOOO

They know and occasionally celebrate that EVE players are 'smarter than average,' yet attempt to manipulate player behavior in the easiest most obvious manner possible, for some fractional percentage gain. Shoot 1 NPC each day, get a piece of candy. "There's a good boy / dog." (pats head) Ugh. "consciousness manipulation techniques" - yep.

I think it's time for me to start giving Angel Cartel a break, Our relations have soured over the years... maybe we just got off on the wrong foot.

Why exactly are people against this? Its just a SP boost to those that put in the extra mile (yes logging in everyday and kill a rat is taxing on many of us!) and if you don't like it and ignore, NOTHING happens to you. I feel that people are too sensitive about this, how is this turning to another space wow? Its still a sandbox where players control most of the activities in the game. You still consent to PVP when you undock, its still the same eve but easy to understand (for new bros) with more needed tweaks (like getting rid of the raw data of turret tracking in info tab, I mean really??) but its still the same eve but with new mechanics. Do people really want this game to be difficult to play? Or do we want to not get any new players to the game?

Bitter vets need to stop being so bitter.

and ccp is no longer interested in your idea as that is their goal


as to the rest of your idea it is even worse than dailies as it introduces pure unaltered grind to skill training

but there are better ways to do that and CCP realities it. Again they have said themselves it has nothing to do with new players. So please stop trying to use that as a reason to go forward with this.


the only reason this is being added is so that the PCU is inflated it's cheap and poor for overall game health but looks great to investors

And you have clearly been enlightened as to what CCP's goal is based on your own assumptions.

Their goal is hardly destructive towards the game, contrary to your statement. It's the means that are being questioned in this, and many similar, threads.



Hardly.

The rewards scale down to being minuscule, but are still present.

Someone who *wants to* grind in EVE to gain an advantage over others can already do so. You can spend your whole day grinding whatever source of income you want, and if you need SP - buy the SP with the ISK you made. Even before injectors were a thing, a surplus of time would simply get converted into bling on ships to gain advantages that way.

This suggestion actually curbs SP farming, compared to what CCP is implementing. With the arbitrary tasks and daily rewards, a SP farming toon could log in for 5 minutes and get a whole day's worth of rewards. Under the suggestion I made this wouldn't be possible since yes, you would actually have to "grind" the SP by *playing* for a while. Downwards pressure on SP prices would admittedly be smaller (still there, though), but actively playing characters would effectively be able to rake in more SP than passive farmers.

And if at that point you actually feel pressured to grind your SP bonuses, then you're just an irrational being. Under CCP's implementation, it is *rational* for people to spend those few minutes daily to get the skill points, considering the reward is pretty big compared to the time investment. Thus the psychological pressure kicks in - if you don't do it, you're behind others who do it. This argument raised by many as a concern, and backed by human psychology science, is valid. But when you extend that bonus in time, while simultaneously making it much smaller, you end up with a mentality of "literally just a few bonus points per hour". The incentive to log in "just for that" is smaller, but there's still an additional incentive to get in game and do what you like actively.

Since SP now have inherent ISK value, it's easiest to look at those things when you stay within that mindset and consider it as yet another source of ISK income. "5 minutes for 10k SP" which effectively translates to n milion ISK earned, is pretty tempting to many. "10 hours for 10k SP" would certainly provoke more of a "oh hell no" response since we got better ISK/hour alternatives ingame already. So how about you go do those instead? And get that small bonus meanwhile?

On a sidenote I find it rather intuitive that my character is learning a skill which they are effectively practising faster than if they were training gunnery while pew pewing market orders in Jita.


From what I can see from your posts you seem to be "just" anti everything in here as a whole. So was I - except some of us have moved past that point and accepted that CCP wants to pad the PCU, which is understandable. More players online is healthy for the game and for the business, regardless how cynical you make it out to be. At the same time I dare to assume they'd rather have those numbers reflect meaningful ingame activity instead of just a ton of people logging on for 5 minutes to kill a rat.

My biggest actual concerns with the current implementation, further down the road:

If CCP plans to stick to this initial design of theirs, I am genuinely curious how they are planning to extend the list of covered activities to include, for instance, trading or industry, without making it either exploitable or punishing to some. In case of trading, when triggering the bonus on buy/sell orders, I can already see the daily crapton of "1 trit for 0.01 ISK" orders being set up. You can of course define a minimal order value in order to get the reward, but to avoid creating a wall for newer players, this barrier needs to be small enough for them to manage it (since in comparison you can kill "a rat" in highsec in a noob ship) and as such it then becomes laughably small to anyone who's been playing for a while. And especially so to established traders and their networks of trading alts.

In case of industry - how do you not punish people who tend to set up 10 industry jobs running for weeks each? Do you force them to keep a spare slot for a daily trash industry job just to rake in those 10k SP? You certainly can't adjust the bonus based on job duration (ie. longer = more SP) since that would be both insanely easy to exploit and also tricky to implement. Or do those people become effectively forced to kill that single daily rat to get the benefit?

Both issues would be nonexistent in my suggestion. With industry, you can scale the passive attribute bonus with job duration/value (not 1:1, obviously) and it wouldn't be exploitable since it itself scales with time. With trading, if you actually spend hours daily trading - you get hours daily bonus. Scale the bonus duration with the volume/value of the trade while keeping it no longer than a day to retain the design of promoting daily activity and you're set.

Thanks CCP I'm ok with this

Nice!

worst day in EvE .....

I'm Against Daily Opportunities

hmm didnt work for me :(