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Any chance we ever get a attack battlecruiser with large missles?
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Saralan Valeraara
Doomheim
#1 - 2016-05-19 20:10:19 UTC
as title says, i always wonder why the Naga never got missles, talos got hybred, tornado projectile, amarr lazer, then we got naga with hybreds again.


food for thought, can someoen explain to me why this might be bad? or maybe just allow naga to do both!
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2016-05-19 20:13:44 UTC
Saralan Valeraara wrote:
maybe just allow naga to do both!

Naga used to apparently, i was not around at the time so i dont know why the change.

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Quentin Marshall
#3 - 2016-05-19 20:18:27 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Saralan Valeraara wrote:
maybe just allow naga to do both!

Naga used to apparently, i was not around at the time so i dont know why the change.


It never did.

But man, I can't recall the last time I've seen any sort of ABC gang
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#4 - 2016-05-19 20:31:15 UTC
Naga did have bonuses for large missiles when it was on Singularity, but just before CCP released the ships, they removed the bonuses for missiles from it

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Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#5 - 2016-05-19 21:12:18 UTC
Naga was a missile boat initially on Singularity and absolutely ROFL-stomped. Heaven forbid a great missile ship existed.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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Saralan Valeraara
Doomheim
#6 - 2016-05-19 21:20:24 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Naga was a missile boat initially on Singularity and absolutely ROFL-stomped. Heaven forbid a great missile ship existed.



this makes me sad, i really want one XD
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#7 - 2016-05-19 21:39:11 UTC
Saralan Valeraara wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Naga was a missile boat initially on Singularity and absolutely ROFL-stomped. Heaven forbid a great missile ship existed.



this makes me sad, i really want one XD

Build yourself a Tipler cylinder and give them a go!

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#8 - 2016-05-19 22:04:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Naga was a missile boat initially on Singularity and absolutely ROFL-stomped. Heaven forbid a great missile ship existed.

This was also before missiles sucked or, rather, before all other weapon systems were buffed. Torpedo Naga with 100% missile velocity would be a riot!

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#9 - 2016-05-19 22:31:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarnak Wulf
I don't remember the torp naga being that good on Sisi. It was slow, had horrible range, and after fitting the torps and BCU sucked at fitting anything else.
Saralan Valeraara
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-05-20 00:12:46 UTC
we should start a riot for a missle naga!
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#11 - 2016-05-20 01:40:26 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Quentin Marshall wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Saralan Valeraara wrote:
maybe just allow naga to do both!

Naga used to apparently, i was not around at the time so i dont know why the change.


It never did.

But man, I can't recall the last time I've seen any sort of ABC gang

No, no. It did. In early testing.

It turns out that the flight time and application of missiles made the Naga a poor contender against any of the other attack battlecruisers at any decent range (see: Attack BCs were intended to utilize range above all else).


And yes... there were riots about it. Then people realized that a rail Naga is pretty sweet (hell yeah ~500dps @ ~250km with a 30k EHP tank and 1000+ m/sec speed)

How did you Veterans start?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#12 - 2016-05-20 19:46:23 UTC
Saralan Valeraara wrote:
we should start a riot for a missle naga!

We already tried. Players love their railguns for some reason...

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Shawn Sukara
Doomheim
#13 - 2016-05-21 03:08:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Shawn Sukara
Here is my idea may or may not be balanced, just meet to be a rough idea


NAGA NAVY ISSUE (or we can call it Naga Mordu's/Navy/Missile Issue just a idea atm)

+5% bonus to Cruise, Torp rate of fire
+10% bonus to Velocity

Role Bonus
+200% velocity of Cruise and Torp missles
-50% flight time of Cruise and Torp missles

-95% Powergrid need of Cruise and Torp Launchers
-50% CPU need of Crusie and Torp Launchers


8 missile Launcher hard points
6 medium
3 low

Description:

The Naga Navy/Mordu issue was made by a aspiring Mordu dude who loved missiles and wanted to build a attack battle cruiser that had battleship sized missles, but due to his laziness and not wanting to design a new ship, he teamed up with the Caldari and refitted the Naga to use Missles using the Mordu Doctrine of Missle design on VELOCITY!
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#14 - 2016-05-23 17:36:53 UTC
Although it would be neat to see a missile-based Naga, I just don't see how you'd make the switch with all of the existing hybrid-based setups in use. Large missiles aren't great ouside of PvE excpt for shooting structures, so there's that issue as well.

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Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#15 - 2016-05-23 17:40:08 UTC
A rapid heavy missile launcher Naga ?

For the lulz Twisted

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#16 - 2016-05-23 17:45:16 UTC
Kiddoomer wrote:
A rapid heavy missile launcher Naga ?
For the lulz Twisted

Otherwise known as a Raven...

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#17 - 2016-05-23 18:34:24 UTC
Yeah the whole "shoot and scoot" style isn't really compatible with waiting 10-20s for your volley to hit.

Also: leave my goddamb Naga alone. It is beautiful and elegant and if any of you bads try and touch it, I will hunt you down.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#18 - 2016-05-24 08:14:32 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Yeah the whole "shoot and scoot" style isn't really compatible with waiting 10-20s for your volley to hit.

Also: leave my goddamb Naga alone. It is beautiful and elegant and if any of you bads try and touch it, I will hunt you down.

Just so you know, we really do want to touch it...

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