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The mass of EVE StarGates
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D Program
#1 - 2011-12-28 07:38:31 UTC  |  Edited by: D Program
CCP can you explain the mass of Stargates in EVE?

Mass: 100 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 kg
Volume: 100 000 000 m3

D = m / v

Density is: 1.0×10^28 kg/m3

A neutron star, which is belived to be one of the most dense objects known.

Quote:
The neutron star's density varies from below 1×10^9 kg/m3 in the crust, increasing with depth to above 6×10^17 or 8×10^17 kg/m3 deeper inside (denser than an atomic nucleus).

"Neutron stars crush half a million times more mass than Earth into a sphere no larger than Manhattan."


I know the game is fictional and all, but it would not hurt to add more realism or fix this.

Correct me if I am wrong somewhere.

What is this sorcery?

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Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#2 - 2011-12-28 14:24:45 UTC
No thanks, I'd rather not see Machariels bumping gates off the grid.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-12-28 16:10:35 UTC
Inconsistencies? In MY Eve Online?

It happens. Some of the stars in-game are orders of magnitude older than the universe itself. I'm sure it'll all get fixed eventually (tm)
Quinc4623
Space Explorers Federation
#4 - 2011-12-29 01:07:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Quinc4623
oops

Looks like somebody added a few too many zeroes...
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2011-12-30 00:29:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Esna Pitoojee
To explain what Graelyn meant -

In the very early days of EVE online, stargates had much, much lower mass. As players began to fly progressively larger ships - BCs, BSes, etc - in greater numbers, it became increasingly easy to bump stargates long distances in space, making it extremely difficult to travel by those bumped gates. The increased mass values were introduced as a means to prevent this from happening by simply outmassing the bumping ships.
Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#6 - 2012-01-02 18:00:25 UTC
From a lore point of view, a stargate is essentially a stable wormhole. It is not hard to fathom that it is some sort of gravitational anomaly that has a mass far in excess of a nutron star.. the real question is with that much mass, how is the actual gate built around the wormhole not sucked inside and shot out the other side :P

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.
D Program
#7 - 2012-01-03 07:29:20 UTC
Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:
From a lore point of view, a stargate is essentially a stable wormhole. It is not hard to fathom that it is some sort of gravitational anomaly that has a mass far in excess of a nutron star.. the real question is with that much mass, how is the actual gate built around the wormhole not sucked inside and shot out the other side :P


Such small object with such mass will usually collapse into itself and form a Black Hole.

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Winters Chill
Unitas Incorporated
#8 - 2012-01-05 13:52:40 UTC
D Program wrote:
CCP can you explain the mass of Stargates in EVE?

Mass: 100 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 kg
Volume: 100 000 000 m3

D = m / v

Density is: 1.0×10^28 kg/m3

A neutron star, which is belived to be one of the most dense objects known.

Quote:
The neutron star's density varies from below 1×10^9 kg/m3 in the crust, increasing with depth to above 6×10^17 or 8×10^17 kg/m3 deeper inside (denser than an atomic nucleus).

"Neutron stars crush half a million times more mass than Earth into a sphere no larger than Manhattan."


I know the game is fictional and all, but it would not hurt to add more realism or fix this.

Correct me if I am wrong somewhere.



I remember reading an ancient forum post back in 2006 that explains it.

From what I remember, due to some kind of complication with the physics engine, beta star gates would move slightly when they got bumped and this caused all kinds of issues. So a cheap fix was simply to make them really really heavy.

Hope this helps.

Incidentally I'm super impressed you know all about neutron stars and stuff, but I can't help but feel that knowledge is somewhat wasted here.
Evet Morrel
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-01-13 13:49:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Evet Morrel
Gott, the Princeton scientist speculates in the national geographic that Einstein-Rosen bridges, better known as wormholes (Kip Thorne, a gravitational theorist at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, in 1988 showed that they could be kept open by an exotic form of matter known as Casimir energy) that each wormhole mouth weighs 100 million solar masses.

"I should point out that these wormholes are not something you put in your kitchen. Each mouth weighs 100 million solar masses," Gott said, referring to a unit of measurement equal to the mass the sun. "This is a galactic-scale engineering project at best."
Gott

So I think that's about 1.98892e+38 kilograms
D Program
#10 - 2012-01-14 17:41:02 UTC
Evet Morrel wrote:
Gott, the Princeton scientist speculates in the national geographic that Einstein-Rosen bridges, better known as wormholes (Kip Thorne, a gravitational theorist at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, in 1988 showed that they could be kept open by an exotic form of matter known as Casimir energy) that each wormhole mouth weighs 100 million solar masses.

"I should point out that these wormholes are not something you put in your kitchen. Each mouth weighs 100 million solar masses," Gott said, referring to a unit of measurement equal to the mass the sun. "This is a galactic-scale engineering project at best."
Gott

So I think that's about 1.98892e+38 kilograms

Thanks for the info.

Interesting read.

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