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Zathra Narazi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2016-05-23 22:31:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Zathra Narazi
I made a trial that I plan to upgrade to a full subscription on payday. Now for some reason I can't log in to my main account even when the trial is logged out. It says this.

"While we appreciate your enthusiasm to try EVE, we would also appreciate if you could limit yourself to using a single trial or subscription accounts only."

Why are CCP suddenly being a pain and how do I log in to my main account?
Zathra Narazi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2016-05-23 22:34:23 UTC
Okay, now I can log in for some reason. Is there just a time limit for switching accounts?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2016-05-23 22:55:53 UTC
when one of them is a trial, yes.

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Zathra Narazi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2016-05-23 23:03:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Zathra Narazi
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
when one of them is a trial, yes.

That's super lame. When did they add that? I gave my Minmatar slave 20 lashes for keeping me from logging in and it's all CCP's fault. I hope they feel bad.
Paranoid Loyd
#5 - 2016-05-24 00:03:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
If they didn't have that you could have an endless supply of free alts. It is as it should be.

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Memphis Baas
#6 - 2016-05-24 00:31:22 UTC
Yup, all the restrictions you see on the Trial accounts are CCP's reaction to shenanigans by players, where they abused the Trial account system. There's all sorts of illegal botting and exploits that can be done with Trial characters, so the restrictions are CCP's attempts to deal with the situation.

It's against the forum rules to discuss such activities, so look at it this way: all the restrictions are potentially causing some newbies to turn away from the game, at a time where they're just picking up a trial to see if they like EVE (which is, basically, the worst time to annoy a new customer), so we're pretty sure that CCP would prefer not to have all these restrictions, but they're forced to. Because of certain players.
Paranoid Loyd
#7 - 2016-05-24 00:51:49 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
illegal botting and exploits that can be done with Trial characters
These are certainly reasons, however it is also necessary for less nefarious reasons such as having alts in different locations for instant intel, or having alts in all the market hubs.

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Zathra Narazi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2016-05-24 05:22:08 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
If they didn't have that you could have an endless supply of free alts. It is as it should be.

Trials are already restricted to the point of being basically crippled though. It's not like they were useful before this change.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#9 - 2016-05-24 06:39:27 UTC
Zathra Narazi wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
If they didn't have that you could have an endless supply of free alts. It is as it should be.

Trials are already restricted to the point of being basically crippled though. It's not like they were useful before this change.


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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2016-05-24 08:19:51 UTC
I started playing EvE Feb 23rd 2009.

There are threads like this that go back to April 18th 2009.

If I had to guess, I'd say it has probably been this way since at least Apocrypha, March 10th 2009. Perhaps longer.

That's at least 7 years.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#11 - 2016-05-24 08:35:04 UTC
The memories...
Creating a trial account to haul the pos fuel down the pipe and emptying the cans while you could keep mining with your alt and tanking the rats with your main Big smile

I can't remember exactly when they changed it (a much needed change) but I think it was around when freighters were introduced so the 7 year estimate sounds right but it's possible it's been even longer.

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Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-05-24 12:39:30 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Yup, all the restrictions you see on the Trial accounts are CCP's reaction to shenanigans by players, where they abused the Trial account system. There's all sorts of illegal botting and exploits that can be done with Trial characters, so the restrictions are CCP's attempts to deal with the situation.

It's against the forum rules to discuss such activities, so look at it this way: all the restrictions are potentially causing some newbies to turn away from the game, at a time where they're just picking up a trial to see if they like EVE (which is, basically, the worst time to annoy a new customer), so we're pretty sure that CCP would prefer not to have all these restrictions, but they're forced to. Because of certain players.


I dont see a situation where a newbie who just started the game, would need two trial accounts running at the same time, and that this would prevent them from enjoying or turning them away from the game.
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-05-24 12:42:27 UTC
Zathra Narazi wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
If they didn't have that you could have an endless supply of free alts. It is as it should be.

Trials are already restricted to the point of being basically crippled though. It's not like they were useful before this change.


Not really. All trial accounts can use the Venture, which is the ship that is one of the most used mining ships for botters.

Imagine one person running 30 trial accounts all mining in ventures.
Zathra Narazi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2016-05-24 21:52:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Zathra Narazi
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I started playing EvE Feb 23rd 2009.

There are threads like this that go back to April 18th 2009.

If I had to guess, I'd say it has probably been this way since at least Apocrypha, March 10th 2009. Perhaps longer.

That's at least 7 years.

I can confirm from personal experience it wasn't like this as of December 2015.

Solonius Rex wrote:
Zathra Narazi wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
If they didn't have that you could have an endless supply of free alts. It is as it should be.

Trials are already restricted to the point of being basically crippled though. It's not like they were useful before this change.


Not really. All trial accounts can use the Venture, which is the ship that is one of the most used mining ships for botters.

Imagine one person running 30 trial accounts all mining in ventures.

High sec mining is already the least profitable thing in Eve. Why would anyone want to do the worst job using the worst ship when they could easily be PLEXing real accounts with real mining ships?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#15 - 2016-05-24 22:06:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Zathra Narazi wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I started playing EvE Feb 23rd 2009.

There are threads like this that go back to April 18th 2009.

If I had to guess, I'd say it has probably been this way since at least Apocrypha, March 10th 2009. Perhaps longer.

That's at least 7 years.

I can confirm from personal experience it wasn't like this as of December 2015.

You'd be wrong, nothing has changed; I've been playing since August 2009, you couldn't run a trail account and another account simultaneously back then either.


An identical question from 2008 for reference

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Zathra Narazi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2016-05-24 22:07:35 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Zathra Narazi wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I started playing EvE Feb 23rd 2009.

There are threads like this that go back to April 18th 2009.

If I had to guess, I'd say it has probably been this way since at least Apocrypha, March 10th 2009. Perhaps longer.

That's at least 7 years.

I can confirm from personal experience it wasn't like this as of December 2015.

You'd be wrong, nothing has changed; I've been playing since August 2009, you couldn't run a trail account and another account simultaneously back then either.

Well I did in December 2015. Might have been a bug or something, but I did.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#17 - 2016-05-24 22:12:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Zathra Narazi wrote:
Well I did in December 2015. Might have been a bug or something, but I did.
Don't get me wrong, there's a number of ways to do it, although there's probably a tempban or warning involved if you get caught.

Under normal circumstances it can't be done and it's been like that for a long time; if you managed to do it without resorting to shenanigans and/or geekery then write it off as a bug/lucky accident.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#18 - 2016-05-24 22:16:01 UTC
Zathra Narazi wrote:
High sec mining is already the least profitable thing in Eve. Why would anyone want to do the worst job using the worst ship when they could easily be PLEXing real accounts with real mining ships?


Because 30 or more free trial Venture miners cost what, couple of mil each for the ships as a one-time expense? Sure, there's far better ships for the task, but they require time to train into.

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Zathra Narazi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2016-05-24 22:19:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Zathra Narazi
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Zathra Narazi wrote:
Well I did in December 2015. Might have been a bug or something, but I did.
Don't get me wrong, there's a number of ways to do it, although there's probably a tempban or warning involved if you get caught.

Under normal circumstances it can't be done and it's been like that for a long time; if you managed to do it without resorting to shenanigans and/or geekery then write it off as a bug/lucky accident.

I came back for a couple of months back then and had a trial account for almost a week before I subbed it. I didn't do anything different than usual.

Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Zathra Narazi wrote:
High sec mining is already the least profitable thing in Eve. Why would anyone want to do the worst job using the worst ship when they could easily be PLEXing real accounts with real mining ships?


Because 30 or more free trial Venture miners cost what, couple of mil each for the ships as a one-time expense? Sure, there's far better ships for the task, but they require time to train into.

Like it takes much time to train into a barge. What is it, like 2 weeks or something? Then you have 2 more weeks to get a PLEX before the first one runs out. There's literally no reason whatsoever to do that in trial ventures.

Edit: I just checked in-game. 7 days, 8 hours with no implants and suboptimal attributes. Anyone know how long it takes to PLEX an account by high sec mining?
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#20 - 2016-05-24 23:02:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Mephiztopheleze
Zathra Narazi wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Zathra Narazi wrote:
Well I did in December 2015. Might have been a bug or something, but I did.
Don't get me wrong, there's a number of ways to do it, although there's probably a tempban or warning involved if you get caught.

Under normal circumstances it can't be done and it's been like that for a long time; if you managed to do it without resorting to shenanigans and/or geekery then write it off as a bug/lucky accident.

I came back for a couple of months back then and had a trial account for almost a week before I subbed it. I didn't do anything different than usual.

Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Zathra Narazi wrote:
High sec mining is already the least profitable thing in Eve. Why would anyone want to do the worst job using the worst ship when they could easily be PLEXing real accounts with real mining ships?


Because 30 or more free trial Venture miners cost what, couple of mil each for the ships as a one-time expense? Sure, there's far better ships for the task, but they require time to train into.

Like it takes much time to train into a barge. What is it, like 2 weeks or something? Then you have 2 more weeks to get a PLEX before the first one runs out. There's literally no reason whatsoever to do that in trial ventures.

Edit: I just checked in-game. 7 days, 8 hours with no implants and suboptimal attributes. Anyone know how long it takes to PLEX an account by high sec mining?


You're totally missing the point, the Free Trial Ventures are exactly that: FREE!
Train into a barge and you then have to PLEX/pay for that account. A free trial Venture account lapses after two weeks, go make another one. All for FREE! FYI: even in highsec and even in Ventures it wouldn't take too long to mine enough to buy a PLEX for your actual, real accounts when you have 30 or more Ventures on the job.

You'd only be limited by how many clients your hardware and intarwebz bandwidth can handle (EVE uses surprisingly little bandwidth). In my personal case, my new GruntMaster 6700 custom gaming rig can handle quite a few. Certainly way more than the three accounts I have.

EVE players being what we are, I really can't blame CCP for having to put the restrictions on.

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