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Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#201 - 2016-05-23 22:15:46 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Shooting a rat is hard?


I think we should accept this as a gift, a reward for those eager to play and go out and do stuff. It's not a punishment although I can see why some would feel they 'miss out'. The amount of SP involved, however, is pretty slim. Let's not forget that.

Some guys will min/max their stats. Some guys will have implants. I have an alt with more SP than my main because one is in a training clone all the time while the other is flying a Sabre in null (with no implants). Do the guys in a training pod in highsec deserve more SP than active pilots prone to losing their implants? Does it kill you to see someone else earn a meagre amount of extra SP? Do skillpoints really matter that much?


I agree that people should just not worry about it and not use it if it affects playstyle. People are so backwards in this game. Let's say you spend 5 minutes/day shooting rats to get your 10k SPs. That's 2.5 hours/month for 330k skillpoints. That's a crazy waste of time to get more skillpoints, given what we have available in game. Spend one extra hour/month working IRL, buy a single plex and get skill injectors.

Has no one heard of the time value of money? Grinding ANYTHING in EVE is horribly inefficient. Do what you enjoy in game and ignore skillpoints.
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#202 - 2016-05-23 22:26:43 UTC
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Shooting a rat is hard?


I think we should accept this as a gift, a reward for those eager to play and go out and do stuff. It's not a punishment although I can see why some would feel they 'miss out'. The amount of SP involved, however, is pretty slim. Let's not forget that.

Some guys will min/max their stats. Some guys will have implants. I have an alt with more SP than my main because one is in a training clone all the time while the other is flying a Sabre in null (with no implants). Do the guys in a training pod in highsec deserve more SP than active pilots prone to losing their implants? Does it kill you to see someone else earn a meagre amount of extra SP? Do skillpoints really matter that much?


I agree that people should just not worry about it and not use it if it affects playstyle. People are so backwards in this game. Let's say you spend 5 minutes/day shooting rats to get your 10k SPs. That's 2.5 hours/month for 330k skillpoints. That's a crazy waste of time to get more skillpoints, given what we have available in game. Spend one extra hour/month working IRL, buy a single plex and get skill injectors.

Has no one heard of the time value of money? Grinding ANYTHING in EVE is horribly inefficient. Do what you enjoy in game and ignore skillpoints.

What if grinding and accumulating skillpoints is what you enjoy? Or was your post meant ironically?

Just seems funny that you admonish people for not doing whatever they enjoy and then tell them that a certain thing is a waste of time/money.

EvE is weird.

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Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#203 - 2016-05-23 22:46:55 UTC
KaarBaak wrote:
What if grinding and accumulating skillpoints is what you enjoy? Or was your post meant ironically?

Just seems funny that you admonish people for not doing whatever they enjoy and then tell them that a certain thing is a waste of time/money.

EvE is weird.


Then by all means grind away. That was my point. Do what you enjoy and don't worry about things you don't like.

I'm just pointing out that if you feel the need to grind to max SP gain, 'grinding' IRL is much, much more time effective.
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#204 - 2016-05-23 23:33:20 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
plasticsurgerycandidate2 wrote:


- Feeling forced to log in each day to get your sp -TRADITION
- Feeling like you're missing out when you can't log in or forget -ENVY/GREED
- Forcing characters that have nothing to do with pve to undock and find an asteroid belt to get their sp -ENVY/LAZY
- Forcing characters with highly valuable implant sets to risk them for their sp (think what titan/super pilots have) -FALSE/FEARMONGERING
- Will benefit those that stay home from the front lines to rat more than those that deploy for wars -ENVY/GREED
... and on and on


I'm not going to go over the rest of that list, anyone can dump those items into the right buckets. The 3 buckets I gave were more than capable of fitting every complaint I've seen against the recurring daily SP thing. Nothing said shows how it will BREAK EVE as per my original comment.

I log into EVE once, occasionally twice, a week. I'm not out there crying "Unfair", "This will Break EVE", "OMG you guys are so evil because I don't have the time for this!"... even though it's understandable. I can't benefit much.

Then again, I'm not from the social injustice, everything has to be fair, life must be balanced by some external force, generation. I work every weekday, and have major home projects every week end. I have a family and fit EVE in once a week, twice if I can find a spare moment. I enjoy the game and this daily thing doesn't bug me one little bit. If you can take advantage of it every day, then KUDOS to you, go for it. If not, then you're like me. Don't whine about it, work hard and keep working hard while having fun in the game.

Stop complaining and start doing.

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#205 - 2016-05-24 01:15:37 UTC
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
I don't do carebear things.

You're asking me to do a carebear thing.

That's gross.


I'm still confused. You only shoot people who can't shoot back in HS. That's as carebear as mining.


Your tears are NECTAR.

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#206 - 2016-05-24 03:25:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
T-Jay Charante wrote:
Can we please stop with the notion that shooting a rat for 2 minutes equals grinding for SP/XP all day long. It's making my brain hurt.

W.O.R.M.H.O.L.E.

If this required you to kill an incursion rat each day people would be flipping out because that's a lot of effort. Well. That's exactly what ratting is lIke in upper class wormholes. But CCP always ignores wormholers when they make stupid changes (see watchlist).

And yes. Doing something stupid and tedious every day is a grind even if it's short. PI takes just a few minutes but if you do it every day it's a horrific grind and you quickly resent it.

So can we just stop with the whole "it's not a grind" nonsense? It's the very definition of a grind.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#207 - 2016-05-24 03:44:06 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
T-Jay Charante wrote:
Can we please stop with the notion that shooting a rat for 2 minutes equals grinding for SP/XP all day long. It's making my brain hurt.

W.O.R.M.H.O.L.E.

If this required you to kill an incursion rat each day people would be flipping out because that's a lot of effort. Well. That's exactly what ratting is lIke in upper class wormholes. But CCP always ignores wormholers when they make stupid changes (see watchlist).

And yes. Doing something stupid and tedious every day is a grind even if it's short. PI takes just a few minutes but if you do it every day it's a horrific grind and you quickly resent it.

So can we just stop with the whole "it's not a grind" nonsense? It's the very definition of a grind.


You can always not do it if it bother you that much to "grind"...
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#208 - 2016-05-24 03:46:09 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
I don't do carebear things.

You're asking me to do a carebear thing.

That's gross.


You are absolutely free to refuse to do the task given and in doing so, forfeit the 10k SP.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#209 - 2016-05-24 04:20:58 UTC
So carebears get extra SP handed to them for doing their mundane daily carbear things. Cool. I mean, really lame and stupid, but whatever, cool beans.

All I'm wondering is how non-carebears are going to be awarded SP for the things they regularly do.

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#210 - 2016-05-24 04:26:03 UTC
You'll figure something out. The code always wins, remember?
Raging Bull Unchained
Signal Lost
#211 - 2016-05-24 06:28:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Raging Bull Unchained
A long time ago...

there was no "warp to 0" for stargates. People had TONS over TONS and even MORE TONS of bookmarks for every system. If you warped from gate a to gate b you had a bookmark 15 km behind the gate, so you can warp at 15 and land at 0. Ofc you had another set of bookmarks for a warp from gate a to c. And so on. There was a own "industry wing" bookmarking the whole universe. Copying the bookmarks was pain (at least!).

Then ccp announced the new feature "warp to zero". OMG the outcry was so loud you could almost hear it on your muted headsets.
THIS IS THE END OF EVE! --- and that´s like 8 or10 years ago? I realy doesnt matter, was QUITE some time ago.

I´m not in fear of EvE for this minor change. If it will turn out to be good or bad we´ll see - if it´s bad ccp will fix it. They want us to enjoy their baby.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#212 - 2016-05-24 09:53:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
Fozzie already said once when he joined a wormhole alliance teamspeak that he does not like people living in wormholes. Guess they're adding more nails every patch cycle.

"it's just one rat"

Thank you for your input but a c5/6 rat is not "just" a rat.

Having to roll/scan for lower class wormholes or k-space to get this "incentive" is just another poorly thought out change that ignores wormhole people again.

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Raging Bull Unchained
Signal Lost
#213 - 2016-05-24 09:57:35 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Fozzie already said once when he joined a wormhole alliance teamspeak that he does not like people living in wormholes. Guess they're adding more nails every patch cycle.

"it's just one rat"

Thank you for your input but a c5/6 rat is not "just" a rat.

Having to roll/scan for lower class wormholes or k-space to get this "incentive" is just another poorly thought out change that ignores wormhole people again.


That might be true (i have no WH experience), but you can still nip the skillpoints with an alt outside the wh. It doesnt even need to skill something. With a extractor you can sell those SP or hand them over (whenever you want to)... this sounds so familiar. I said this allready?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#214 - 2016-05-24 10:03:01 UTC
So now I have to make an alt, log out of my main and then go shoot a rat on the alt, wait until the alt has over 5.5m sp (earning 10k a day this will take me a year and a half), then buy an extractor and get the sp to then sell for 600m?

I certainly will not be injecting it into my main as I am well over 50m sp and 600mil ISK profit over a year and a half is almost laughable.

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#215 - 2016-05-24 10:10:06 UTC
Out of curiosity ... don't you rat in wormholes anyway?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#216 - 2016-05-24 10:14:42 UTC
You do sometimes, but it's not exactly an activity you can casually do like warping into a belt with a rookie ship and orbit 500+F1

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#217 - 2016-05-24 10:39:55 UTC
And still the point seems to be missed that this is just a start opportunity to a system that will introduce many more. I'm sure the will even be wormhole specific ones which will make highsec players cry about how they have to go all the way into a wormhole for their reward.

It's an optional task, and if it's too much effort of you don't want to do it, then don't. Quit crying when CCP are actually adding things to the game. If it truly upsets you then unsub, you will not be missed.

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Lisbeth Riraille
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#218 - 2016-05-24 10:51:23 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
So carebears get extra SP handed to them for doing their mundane daily carbear things. Cool. I mean, really lame and stupid, but whatever, cool beans.

All I'm wondering is how non-carebears are going to be awarded SP for the things they regularly do.


Well if they start giving out SP for crying on the forums about how CODE is misunderstood, you'll be knee-deep in them.
Lisbeth Riraille
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#219 - 2016-05-24 10:56:11 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Fozzie already said once when he joined a wormhole alliance teamspeak that he does not like people living in wormholes. Guess they're adding more nails every patch cycle.

"it's just one rat"

Thank you for your input but a c5/6 rat is not "just" a rat.

Having to roll/scan for lower class wormholes or k-space to get this "incentive" is just another poorly thought out change that ignores wormhole people again.


You'll never get me living in a WH if I've got to suffer being called 'wormhole people'. That sounds absolutely filthy lol.
Lisbeth Riraille
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2016-05-24 10:58:28 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
And still the point seems to be missed that this is just a start opportunity to a system that will introduce many more. I'm sure the will even be wormhole specific ones which will make highsec players cry about how they have to go all the way into a wormhole for their reward.



Lol this will be glorious.