Wormholes

Hello there!

I'd like to discuss a few issues regarding Citadels Corproate Hangars I've noticed so far.

I believe that many WH corporations have got "shareable" ships as corporates properties, such as BS/cruisers for wormhole rolling, logis, commands, some recons/support ships and salvagers. That's especially important in WH space - it allows saving a few m3 in a sma by sharing commons ships between corpo members. For example - it would be rather silly for every single corp member to has their own BS for wh rolling. Also, if you would like to steal those ships - you gonna take a lot of time (and holes if lucky) to get them out from the hole.

Lets look into the future - POSes are gone from eve, and all those ships are in Corporate Hangars, which are pain in the a*** to quickly reship as it is in a sma. With Citadel, you can just easily "drag and drop" all items/ships to your own hangar and they will dissappear forever. CEO has no feature to take a peak what his corp members has got in their own hangars (interestingly, it is possible at a station, but not at a citadel - that's rather strange move as large citadels are mean to replace outpost in a future). Or take a less tragic scenario - corp member just forgot to put it back to corp hangar, and CEO/directors are not able to find it with current features.

My conclusion is, citadels are meant to bring easier management for private assets (and asset safety), but their got a huuuuge problem with corporates properties. There is no tool for directors to find where stuff has gone or how to protect them. All we can do is lock hangar access to some corp members, and distribute the ships I've mentioned to individuals (double trouble, no excitement at all).

Any solutions I can't see?

I've thought and talked about this a lot.

I really miss having all my ships in one SMA that ll of my Alts have access too. I wish we could take the new Access groups and make our own storage groups. But I don't think CCP would be keen on this idea, from a technical side of how items are owned and a weird shared ownership mine not jive with legacy code. From a game design IDK if this is what they want either.



I would be for something like an "Opt in" (kinda like high sec awox corp settings) for corps to allow directors to pull from personal item hangars/ SMAs. This idea would be completely foreign for the rest of Eve but wormholers would likely really appreciate it.

Now spend development time on a feature only a small part of Eve would use is a whole different story.

I would love to hear others opinions on this topic and if there is a better solution!

One thing I would like is the ability to set up secure containers in the corp hangars, at the moment you can assemble them but cannot password protect them

No. High asset security is a strong citadel feature that goes a long way to prevent theft by directors in j-space.

As a victim of theft by directors in my previous WH corp ( Cascading Failure / Un.Bound ) and soon after a witness to a massive double corporate theft (30+ billion) by a current Hard Knocks member named forsot ( director, Resurrection Ventures / Un.Bound ) and his friends, it's a bad idea to change asset security currently implemented.

Yes, high asset security prevents directors from scooping billions in free assets but I believe the rank and file applaud it. :D

Rather than depending on mechanics to get at assets, build a strong reputation for fair dealings, trust, and high two-way communications with members. Many people should then be happy to make mutually-satisfying arrangements if they do leave Eve.

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THIS x1000

I remember talking at length about stuff like this ages ago with Corbexx. Reality of it anyone who seriously plays in w-space has multiple accounts and characters. I share most of the ships and things I can use across my characters and accounts. Having the ability to create custom access group/hangers would be a godsend.

LOL of course you would Hatshepsut IV / Ulic Trask / Hierophantic. Then you were director of Cascading Failure (now Un.Reasonable), we amicably parted ways and yet you helped yourself to my ships and assets in my division.

CCP, high asset security in citadels is one of this new structure's best features. Don't gimp it now. Please consider the majority of players in j-space.

As my personal example of loss due to director theft demonstrated, NoobMan's idea will only benefit the few elite.

Thank you for the stratios.

I have refit it to a better purpose.

Of course it varies from corp to corp but I think the move is to most j-space players owning their ships. My experience is with high-class holes. Now with the removal of capital escalation waves and its replacement with drifter battleships that even a relatively small fleet of sub-caps can kill, I think there is now even less reason to make pricey ships available for corp-wide use.

If an awoxer gets his lols from taking ammo, and cheap mods, and a few rolling megas.... he is pitiful indeed lol. And he'll get a character reputation hit, which is a big dis-incentive to steal trivial amounts for j-space.


As someone already noted, the corporation can recover their ammo and modules if they want to risk seven days to unchor the citadel and another 24 hours to re-anchor it.


There are alternatives ways to limit corporate risk rather than opening up all members' assets to other players, which poses a significant higher risk to individuals. For example, Pinkylein and Tsukino Stareine proposed something like secure station containers with access lists. If something like that is implemented by CCP, that security mechanic should significantly help limit the risk of exposure of corporate assets to a need only basis.

I'd like to point out:

Noobman suggested an OPT-IN function. In other words, it is disabled unless YOU permit people to access it. As a result, if you want no one to touch it, you share the hangars with no one.