EVE General Discussion

My first advice is to try and find a corp that does the PvP you want to do. If you want to get into solo PvP, I would not recommend to do that to start with, but instead look at some small gank PvP first. Finding a good corp is the most important thing to do and this is how you will learn the most.

I terms of what ships to fly, I'd say the easiest place to start is T1 frigate EWAR support (like a Maulus). They are extremely useful and easy for newbies to get into (skillwise).

EDIT: Nvm, I see you have a corp. So I guess they are doing the sort of PvP you want to do. EWAR frigates are easy to get into, while providing huge benefits to your fleet. Take a look at those for your roams.

Thanks my corp has been helpful.. there is a few of us that like to PvP so sounds like i will fit up a Executioner with tier 2 mods asap and see how it goes. thanks !

PVP in EVE is rock, paper, scissors so what you're really saying is "someone give me a really good fit for a rock please". If you look at it like that then I hope you realize how "silly" the question is, as in whatever answer you'll get is probably not going to help you. Fits depend on a scenario: where you fight and what you expect to fight in terms of ship, expected fitting, tactics and piloting.

Case in point: in low sec most solo frigates will be set up to scram kite because of them sitting in plexes and there not being any bubbles, this means that you'd have to set up your ship to deal with that tactic and the range of ships that you'll likely run in to. If you'd use scram kiting as a tactic yourself then it becomes an applied dps/tank war, one which (if you're lower SP) you're probably going to lose. So you need to find a counter to their tactic.

In 0.0 most solo frigates will be kiters or MWD brawlers, a scram kiting setup is a great counter to both of those, if done correctly. If you'd try a kiting fit yourself then you're back to the "who applies the best damage" which you're probably going to lose. On top of that kiting fits require lots and lots of situational awareness and experience.


Stick to frigates, they're awesome and cheap. Search youtube for "eve is easy executioner", you'll find some videos showcasing low SP solo pvp in an Amarr frigate, watch that video a bunch of times, you'll learn new stuff every time you do.

By kiting in a frigate you mean keeping ur target at a distance while putting the web's and scrams on him not allowing him to get close enough to blow u to bits??

Kitey frigate PvP is one of the most boring types of PvP in the game. I've done PvP from frigates up to capitals, and cruisers are easily the most versatile of all ship types.

What makes you so certain that kitey frigate PvP is the best PvP? ( And I can tell your a FW player by the way as its the only place you can get away flying kitey frigates; I don't expect you have much else in terms of PvP experience )

Scram kiting is still a form of kiting; don't be pedantic.

Frigates only have any real survivability in low sec when hiding in plexes or kiting at the edge, in null sec you'll get squished unless you are one of the few who is exceptionally good with frigates (ie well out of the reach of a new player).

A cruiser is a much more solid choice, and HIC is great to aim for as you are learning all the skills required for cruiser PvP culminating in one of the best small gang PvP ships around.

Also please read before spamming us with your elite PvP knowledge and dismissing advice from experienced people.

*chuckles* This discussion reminds me of why I dislike these forums. (arguing with a 3 month old alt who has no KB record to backup his 'elite pvp knowledge')

Just to summarise for the OP.

1. ignore the guy above me.

2. Go ahead and use frigates (I never said they suck and are great as training vessels), just don't be disappointed that your getting squished constantly. Use them to get a feel for PvP without much risk.

3. Train for a T3 destroyer ASAP as CCP literally made this ship for newbies like yourself to be competitive in PvP, there is a reason as to why the Svipul is the number 1 ship on zKill. (the standard t1 destroyers also pack a punch and are probably the best ships in terms of their isk to performance ratio)

4. Longer term try and get into cruiser PvP as it will give you access to a whole host of top tier PvP ships such as the HIC and is the most versatile class of ship in the game.

Yes I am giving him medium term goals rather than the standard advice of going for a frigate. (And by the way I agree frigates make excellent training ships which I stated in my first post)

The issue is people get stuck playing frigates online; and with a focused skill plan it actually doesn't take that long to get into a T3 destroyer whilst getting access to excellent t1 destroyers and training lots of useful support skills along the way. And so I am giving the bigger picture, whilst at the same time agreeing with you that frigates are great initially to test the water.

You can become a master frigate pilot too, but that requires a lot of dedication and you need to know what targets you can and cannot engage, and so I wouldn't recommend it for a new player as you'll be missing out on the fun of flying bigger ships.

(and the issue isn't dying, but more that frigates simply don't put out the raw dps to take down most targets quickly enough if at all when using solo)



I can't speak for you but I rarely see a frigate in 0.0 and if so they are usually part of a larger fleet used as tackle - frigates generally don't have the raw stats to kill much outside the safety of faction warfare plexes. I'd be interested to know what you've killed in a scram kiting frigate (would help if you didn't post on an alt). There are of course exceptions such as Chessur with his slicer, but he has to choose his targets very carefully and a lot of skilled piloting is involved.

"Getting stuck" would be different yes, although I know some people who've been doing it for years and enjoy it. They enjoy the fact that they're the underdog as it makes a win more hilarious. But to stop people from "getting stuck" it doesn't help if you tell them "frigates suck", they don't suck at all but they're more limited in what they can attack.

On the up side they're cheap to lose, don't require a ton of SP (so it's great to do on alts and for newer players) and they can get out of trouble in case you end up in a situation you can't deal with. This means that they work really well for soloing, TRUE soloing not the "I have 2 scouts, a Falcon, gang links and cyno" soloing. It means they're meant to actively roam for targets, not sit in their own home systems and wait for people to come their way, this is probably why you don't ever see them.

A newbie will learn so much more from losing 100 frigates (and getting a few kills) in solo pvp, if he put in the effort to prepare because head first approaches don't work, than to wait till he can fly a (T2) cruiser and sit in a fleet/gang following orders. It shows initiative, it shows maturity in the way that they're ok with being the underdog and it shows they're willing to lose in order to PVP. There's already too many scardy cats who hide behind friends, funky ships and gang links who lie to themselves about how the increased cost of their ship makes it more risky while in fact they use it to make up for a lack of capability.

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It's very simple, if you fly a svipul tacklers will go "hell no" and stay away from you or wait till they can blob you. You're not getting a fight and the fights you do get tend to go badly, you'll kill a bunch of idiots ofc. If you fly a t1 frigate they go "lol" and hit approach on you, you'll be amazed how easy it is to scram kite the majority of tacklers and other frigates in 0.0. It works BECAUSE most frigs in null are kiters or brawl tacklers and all a newbie has to do is load T2 range ammo (or rage rockets in case of a missile ship) and click orbit @ 7km.

It's not about "I need moar dps and tank", it's about "this strategy will work against most targets I can actually kill".

So you mean that right now, the OP being one month old, he should NOT focus on larger ships and especially not T2 or T3, but instead pick a frigate, put in the effort to learn and go for it. And NOT to think that frigates "suck", because they can do just fine.


That's what I said.