Crime & Punishment

"In a pure PvP world, there is no consensuality: People can try to mess you about, whether or not you like it; they may run the risk of being attacked by you, your friends, and perhaps the local police force too as a result, but they can still try."

Tranquility is a pure PvP server. Therefore ganking is PvP.

ganking involves two or more players
therefore it's classified as pvp (Player versus Player)

This conversation is awesome. Needs more pedantry though.

WTS extra fine scalpels, ideal for splitting hairs. Convo me.

but its been explained that everything in this game is pvp so pve does not exist because you are constantly in competition with someone else. i get it, ganking is a subset of pvp, but the way things are in every game you are a pvp'er if you focus on player to player combat.

you look anywhere and someone says "im a pvp character" and you instantly know what they are talking about, ship to ship combat, not ganking miners

we have already determined everything in this game is pvp, and i said i agree numerous times

Last I checked, miners are in ships, their gankers are in ships, and combat is the only thing that makes the mining ship pop. Ganking miners is ship to ship combat. It may be very one-sided combat, but encounters with elite PvP'ers often are very one-sided affairs.

So your opinion on whether or not podkilling is PvP somehow miraculously changed in the last 30 days.
Also your statement that everyone is entitled to an opinion doesn't jive with how often you tell somebody to GTFO when you disagree with them over something in these forums.
Dom Arkaral, as consistent as he ever was.

stop trying to derail the train Tyler, this ain't a playground for little crybabies like yourself.
This is simply another good thread you try to shut down

PVP is like fishing...

1) You have the guy that sits in the lawn chair on the bank cast a bobber and bait in, cracks open a beer and sits there and waits for a bite.
2) You have the guy that has the $100k high tech bass boat with two 3-d fish finders, has the pro rod and can get in places that a person on foot could not get( at least not easily)
3) you have the sea fisherman bigger boat, bigger reel, bigger fish.
4) You have the trot line runner. Sets multi hook lines and checks them twice a day.
5) You have the net fisherman( typcially commerical)
6) you have the fly fisherman who prides himself on his finesse.

At the end of the day, they are all fisherman. They will swear up and down their way is the only way( and best way) to fish. Those other methods... thats not really fishing.


PVP in Eve is the same. It has many facets.

1) Null pvpers- not real pvp because your blobbing and pushing F1. While this may be true for certain alliances. In actual pvp alliances you actually do a minimum amount of this. This is only a small part of the pvp you actually end up doing.

2) Gankers- infamous for picking on the weak. Many consider not to be real pvp since the other side rarely fights back. Gankers have their place. While they do prey on the weak and naive, it is this preying that in part keeps eve from becoming WoW in space. 8 years ago when i started you could load up you indy with faction mods and other loot and head from derelik to jita, hit the AP, go grab some lunch and you would sitting at the gate in jita when you were done. Today i had to go from Hek to Jita in an astero. About 6 jumps into my travels, my dog wanted to go out. 8 years ago i would of hit the AP and taken him out. Today i docked up, took him out, then resumed traveling. It wasnt worth losing a 100 mil isk frig so my dog could go to the bathroom. Now imagine if everyone just did everything in highsec and never had to worry about consequences. It would become carebear land. People wouldnt be encouraged to leave high sec and those mean gankers behind. Now people are like" if im going to risk getting shot or blown up, i might as well do it in a place where i can make 10 times more isk an hour"

3)Wardeccers- The twin brother of gankers. They wardec as many corps and alliances as they can. They keep people who live in null in null. Why should i go to highsec if im wardecced? i cant carebear. Only thing i can do is shop. So null players have shopping alts that contact supplies to other alts in non decced corps that haul. I have very little reason to go to highsec and even less if im being wardecced. Again this keeps eve players from becoming lazy carebears.

4) Faction war pvp- So basically you have experienced pilots going around ganking a bunch of inexperienced players in cheap ships. If thats not bad enough, they are probably worse as blobbing than null sec alliances they just do it in cheaper ships. Ironically, this is the only actual consensual pvp ive mentioned and i know you consent when you undock. However both parties here KNOW they are going to pvp and that is their intent when they undock. Usually one side does not have a choice.

5) Cloaky campers/BLOPS - the bane of every nullsec alliance. You have that awesome ratting system. got time off from ops. Going to get in a little ratting make a couple hundred mil and BOOM! cloaky camper in your system! Now this could be some guy that is AFK in a buzzard. Or it could be a stealth bomber who is going to take out your MTU while you switch between your ratter and your noctis. Or he could be cyno equipped and has 10-20 buddies in blops ready to be all up and down your deadspace fitted rattlesnake like a window shade. You.just.never.know.

All of these will defend their style of pvp. Many will claim the style is the best. Many will claim others arent real pvp. But just like fishing, everyone is doing it Just doing it differently.

So... cant we all get along? No? Thats good, dont want you guys going soft on me and holding hands while mining veldspar and singing kumbaya and filling out support tickets cause a rat popped your retriever while you went potty.

Text pvp is the most exhilarating form of pvp this game has to offer. This thread is proof.