Crime & Punishment

If I followed qualitative and quantitive research methods I would:

survey a sample of the different player groups to define what PvP meant to them,

THEN provide the results in the form of percentages,

and have an explanation of the results.




Its called good science, not pandering to the most entitled group that shouts loudest.

denying someone a kill can very well be classed as pvp, if i stay docked instead of fighting someone, its pvp?

even miners who skip corps to avoid wardecs, thats a form of pvp too, i mean blueballing and content denial is pvp?

it may be the definition but pvp'ers are classed people who fight other fighters, im not trying to change a definition im merely expressing my opinion that a pvper is considered a fighter and a ganker is just someone who shoots a mostly helpless/non-combat player.

nobody ever answers the question "what is your pvp experience? with....everything in eve is pvp so its very great" they refer to it as combat vs combat. everybody does

By the standards of some what I do is not considered PVP despite the very low success rate for getting engagements and the moderately high success rate for getting kills when I do get an engagement.
I bait mission runners.
We all know this... but sometimes they shoot. They all have guns, so that meets most people's qualifications, but really lets face it, the game is rigged in my favor. It's the fit. My targets generally do not have neuts or webs fitted because of reasons.

Sometimes they do.

This makes it exciting for me, as I don't scan their fits and with skill injectors I now have NO idea just how much mojo their character sheet is packing. I simply do what I do and bet on stupid.

However, because my targets are not PVP players necessarily engaged in PVP activities you could easily argue that I am a bad person for taking advantage of an ill-prepared opponent in order to score an 'easy kill' (FYI, some of those 'easy kills' are insanely rough, leaving my ship on fire for most of the fight). Some of these 'easy kills' have sent my pod scampering off to the nearest planet post haste in order to prevent the subsequent loss of implants due to me underestimating the awesomeness of my foe.

Then there are the miners. Everyone says 'helpless mining vessel'... I say 'Have you f*cking SEEN a Skiff?' I have had an enyo run screaming on fire from a pair of these monsters before. Procurers are pretty bad too... unless it's a war target you can single out and kill without repercussions, a mining fleet poses some serious risks for your average nogoodnik.

Okay, I'm rambling. I guess my point is that whenever you and another player have conflicting desires for the outcome of a situation and both of you have an influence on said outcome it is PVP. If your objective is to live and you do, then you have won at pvp on your end. If your objective is to kill and you do then you have achieved your objective. This applies no matter what your objective is. Sometimes it's something weird like 'I don't care what you're doing, but you need to do that somewhere else.'

Did I sense make?

PvP is player versus player... no matter the type of engagement.
Be it ships blowing up ships (legitimately or illegitimately), or market .01 isking, of just mining more than your competitor, it all is pvp.

Ganking is just a non-consensual pvp type, just like gate camps...

But it the end PvP is and always be player versus player.

PvP

Kind of like turning your guns on and blowing up someones pod, right Dom?
Thats considered pvp too right?

even pve is pvp

It's worse. Lan's definition of PvP is contradicted by the very definitions of "player" and "versus".

damnit 1 sec

edit: is that the best you got?
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Hi Revis, I was feeling charitable when I wrote that. It does happen, occasionally.

Your amplification is correct, and welcome.

The point is not what we, the players, think should be the definition of PvP. The point is what CCP hf has determined it shall be. All aspects of the game design are conceived and executed in light of their decision in that regard.

You might do only PvE activities (like only shooting rats), but the EvE server is a pure PvP server. So you are not operating within a vacuum. When someone decides to shoot you, or deny you freedom to farm by being in the same system and you consciously docking up to deny him a kill, you are engaged in PvP even though you only do PvE content.

It's not that hard to understand.