Crime & Punishment

Ripard Teg was a moderately successful EVE Online blogger.

In the run-up to the CSM election for which he announced his candidacy, he published on his blog a post entitled 'Ganking isn't PvP and never was'.

Well, James 315 couldn't just let that go, now could he?

'Jester's Dreck' is James' response; not a post-mortem examination but rather an anatomical dissection of the most exacting kind.

James' post deals with the nature of Power in EVE, and explores the arguments rehearsed by many players about consensual and non-consensual PvP; an argument which still drags on, unresolved, apparently.

I've introduced and quitted the reading in my own voice and persona; just to prove that I 'don't really speak like that'.

Please do have a listen.

Jester's Dreck

Bless.

I miss James. He was like a street judge taking the long walk, bringing lawlessness to the lawful.

Then you're stupid because it definitively is PVP.

I don't know if I want to start with the fact that people who get ganked actually are armed most of the time, or by pointing out that its completely irrelevant whether or not the involved parties are armed.

The thing that makes a particular interaction "Player Versus Player" is that the involved parties are all players (this is what the Ps in PVP mean) and that one is trying to do something that that the other wants the other wants them to fail at (This is the Versus, which is the V).

It bothers me that I have to explain a three word, simple English phrase that is its own definition to another (presumably) adult human being.

dont get me wrong, i pvp and i gank, however i dont consider the 2 the same thing, if i jump into a plex or a gatecamp and we both redbox then i consider that pvp, if i jump into highsec and shoot a miner in a belt then im just ganking

what would you say to someone who had a killboard 100% of ganking highsec miners and they told you they had excellent "pvp" experience because of this?

Well for a start I wouldn't make a statement about the quality of something based on a single derived percentage of a single quantitative value.

The only actual information you can get from someone having 100% of their kills being from ganking in highsec is that they have some amount of experience ganking in highsec.

And the quality of their experience is irrelevant anyway since regardless of how much experience they have, or how successful they've been it's still a kind of experience of a kind of PVP activity.

Your thought process is limited. If you think winning an argument by defining a word or two is correct, you are displaying your ignorance.

The Eve community is a culture, the gamer community is a culture. A simplistic dictionary definition does explain our cultures attitude and values in relation to a particular issue.



Gankers and some lessor Mercs have one perspective.

Intelligent PVPers, FW players, Carebears, Nullsec Alliances, Greater Mercs and AG's have another perspective on what is PvP within our culture.

Instead of being focused on quantitative figures to try and define PvP. Qualitative research is required. Means listening to what others in our culture are saying.






Vimsy don't let simplistic definitions define who you are either. I'm sure you are more complicated.

It might not be honourable e-bushido.

But by definition it is PvP. So there is really nothing to argue here.

Its an opinion, not a definition

even ship spinning is considered pvp, i must remember this when filling out my app to pl