EVE General Discussion

The people who post about EVE on Reddit tend to be people who don't care for EVE's own personality and uniqueness, if they did they'd refused to post on Reddit about it and stick to the official forum, this one. It's therefore not surprising at all that those don't really see any problems when EVE turns more and more into a generic MMO (which weirdly no one plays much because they "suck", so why change this one too?).

The fact that CCP Devs seem to prefer posting on Reddit makes it all the more poignant, and telling.

Anyone who posts a negative opinion to the way the game is headed on Reddit gets downvoted to oblivion. That is why you won't see such posts, and it also makes others reluctant to post their honest opinion.

Aah, Reddit. Where Free Speech goes to die.

One thing you have to realize is that both the forums and reddit only represent a very small portion of the eve player base. A second thing you have to remember is people( with the exception of regulars) usually come to the forums to either A) complain or B) ask questions.

What you really have to look at is subs. Subs tell you what players really think about eve. For example eve has been steadily growing in subs since it started. We had a period of decline i believe it was either when sov changes went from POS based to to TCU/SBU or walking in stations or both. It was that period when people were quite unhappy in general with eve.

CCP admitted that was a huge mistake on their part ( because it cost them subs). They have recovered from it but it just goes to show you cannot escape the truth of " Money talks and BS walks" and its not the money that posts on these boards/reddit...soo that leaves the other one.

I would counter this view with:

- Grath Telkein
- Elise Randolph
- Rixx Javixx
- Apothne
- Chribba
- Gorski Car
- Jayne Fillion
- many former and current CSMs (In addtion to those already mentioned)

I don't think there is any evidence to support the view that regulars to r/eve like these guys don't care for Eve's own personality.

I don't know why it is so different.

r/eve and other social platforms handle mobile devices better than the forums, which are really crap on anything other than a desktop/laptop

It's easy to consume r/eve on a native mobile app that is fully featured, just while you are standing in a line, or waiting for a bus and the text is actually readable rather than scaled down.

Reddit in general has thousands of topic areas, so I can go there and not only view r/eve, but also other subreddits. Here is just the one subject.

Images, vides, soundclouds, battlereports, killmails. Here, if the site is not approved, you have to go through an extra pop-up window asking if you are sure you want to leave the forum (even though it opens in a new tab/window anyway). It all just works on reddit. It's a much richer environment.

There's lots of reasons other social platforms, and particularly Reddit are attractive for users; none of which mean that people don't care for Eve.

Forums are old technology and this one is locked down to be not much more than text and links. It's so 1990s.

Just because each of us have a totally untested and unvalidated opinions, doesn't make our views a reflection of reality.

So when you say that the people of r/eve tend to be the one's that don't care about Eve's personality, prove it. Counters, such as those listed above suggest a different possibility, so if they are the few exceptions, rather than guys who also see how r/eve is a reflection of the personality of Eve, then show the evidence that says they are just the few and exceptions.

Remove all the personal bias and put the objective evidence on the table if you are so sure that your view is the true view.

Additionally, let's not forget that the changes in the game are coming from CCP. They aren't being made by r/eve.

So if r/eve are supportive and r/eve reflect people who don't value Eve's personality, then you have to also be saying that CCP don't care for Eve's personality. Again, I don't really see the evidence that support that. Not objective evidence anyway.

Do you think reddit is one community?

The main difference between here and Reddit is that on Reddit I have made points and inquiries in threads the a dev would reply to within the day, either directly or in the reply chain, whereas here in the "official" forums we can have 50 pages of people begging for some clarity or any kind of answer on any kind of topic and get absolutely nothing (save for editing from an ISD because they won't kick out the trolls).

Big difference.

In theory, reddit is a good idea. In practice its signal to noise ratio is dreadful.

It's like a teenager's Facebook post collided with 9gag. There's only ever one opinion: that of the "cool clique" - any alternative views get suppressed even if well presented. Instead you get a hundred pages of upvoted 'lol's and memes.